Thanks a lot for the support! I will go through the page suggested! :)
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Today's Topics:
- A Newbie! (Hasini Abeywickrama)
- Re: A Newbie! (Amir E. Aharoni)
- Re: MW 1.20 backwards compatibility in extensions (Krinkle)
- Re: Please take this survey about new contributors (bawolff)
- Re: Research on newcomer experience - do we want to take part? (Diederik van Liere)
- Re: Please take this survey about new contributors (Quim Gil)
- Welcome Juliusz Gonera as Software Developer to the Mobile Team! (Tomasz Finc)
- Re: Wikimedia URL shortener (Mono)
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:43:26 +0530 From: Hasini Abeywickrama hvabey@gmail.com To: Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikitech-l] A Newbie! Message-ID: < CANYxRU8_-VAJ9A4wz5OfBnNdnQG7zEuT_66upkCaLqV6+QsXiw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi all!
I am a new member to this mailing group & I am interested in taking part in the Outreach Programme for Women!
I would like to make my contribution to Wikimedia. I read through the webpage but I have no clear idea on where do download the code & source files etc.
Can someone out there please help?
Thanks a lot in advance! :)
Hasi
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:09:19 +0200 From: "Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] A Newbie! Message-ID: < CACtNa8skujbDZQFCATwW9ou1+HUaifOFfYup0NnM2E4CK7waQg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
2012/11/19 Hasini Abeywickrama hvabey@gmail.com:
Hi all!
I am a new member to this mailing group & I am interested in taking part
in
the Outreach Programme for Women!
I would like to make my contribution to Wikimedia. I read through the webpage but I have no clear idea on where do download the code & source files etc.
Can someone out there please help?
Hello, and welcome!
Take a look at the following page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? http://aharoni.wordpress.com ??We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.? ? T. Moore?
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:15:27 +0100 From: Krinkle krinklemail@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MW 1.20 backwards compatibility in extensions Message-ID: AEE2F6EF-6A69-4BBF-848C-DEAA31E665D6@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de wrote:
On 19.11.2012 17:08, Jeroen De Dauw wrote:
+1. Having a script run that makes pretty arbitrary tags in between
actual
releases for extensions that have real releases and associated tags/branches does not seem helpful at all to me.
It is, however, extremely helpful for those extensions that don't have
their own
release system.
Maybe the script can just skip any extension that has a VERSION or
RELEASE-NOTES
file.
Or we don't run it and just create REL branches when we have to and so will others.
Extensions that aren't maintained, aren't maintained.
As a start, I created a REL1_20 branch for extensions that were bundled with 1.20.0.
-- Krinkle
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:52:20 -0400 From: bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Please take this survey about new contributors Message-ID: <CA+oo+DUEdk-05yerGUW4T2KAs0fruGC2bFwc6KF4= TO-W3MN5g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, if you joined the MediaWiki / Wikimedia tech community in 2010 or later please consider taking this survey:
Newcomer experience and contributor behavior in FOSS communities https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151&lang=en
The survey is open for sporadic contributors or full time Wikimedia employees, developers or any other profile. Anybody is welcome to leave their feedback as long as you have started contributing to this community in the past 3 years.
11 mature and well established open source projects are taking part in this survey: Debian, FreeBSD, GNOME, Gentoo, KDE, Mozilla, NetBSD, OpenSUSE, Python, Ubuntu and Wikimedia. Some of them started some days ago and have more than hundred responses by now. The data of this survey is anonymous and will be released under a ?share-alike? Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL).
Some background:
From Kevin Carillo, the researcher: http://kevincarillo.org/survey-invitation/
From OpenHatch, a non-profit working on the bridge between free software projects and new contributors:
https://openhatch.org/blog/2012/a-research-project-to-understand-what-does-i...
PLEA If you, like me, became a bit tired of survey requests like this please consider filling this one anyway. It focuses in a specific area where we don't have much data. As fresh technical contributor coordinator at the WMF I'm looking forward to the results of this research and the lessons it will bring.
Thank you. :)
-- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation
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Hmm, some of the questions were a little unclear - talking about the Wikimedia community, but Wikimedia (as a whole) is not a FOSS project. I became a developer roughly 3 years ago. I've been a member of Wikimedia land since roughly 2005. Similarly, does being a gsoc participant count as being paid to work on MediaWiki - after all gsoc students do get money for doing MediaWiki things, etc.
-bawolff
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:01:08 -0500 From: Diederik van Liere dvanliere@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Research on newcomer experience - do we want to take part? Message-ID: < CAFZ+_qmRaFSNJDQkNtZF7NhpmdV-aHPTN_CO3dhDDezBd7WJzw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hey Quim
I also sent you this survey a week ago with the question whether we should participate :) D
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, sorry for cross-replying.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Marcin Cieslak saper@saper.info
wrote:
Hello,
Kevin Carillo[1] from University of Wellington is going to research "Newcomer experience and contributor behavior in FOSS communities[2] So far Debian, GNOME, Gentoo, KDE, Mozilla, Ubuntu, NetBSD, OpenSUSE will be taken into account, and FreeBSD recently joined[3] and there is still some possibility for other large FOSS projects to join.
I think it could fit nicely into our recent efforts directed at newcomer experience after Git migration. And MediaWiki is a bit different than above projects.
Are we interested to include MediaWiki in that research?
As Kevin explains in his post he tried to avoid spamming mailing lists to look for project interested, so I am doing this for him :-)
//Saper
I've worked with Kevin in preparation for his survey and later promotion from the KDE-side quite a bit. This is not the kind of research project that is of no value to the project taking part. I expect the results to be very useful for KDE (and likely also the other projects taking part).
It turns out that Sumana and me have been in touch with Kevin in the past days after Asheesh Laroia proposed directly to include Wikimedia in this research.
Said and done, Wikimedia is also included in the survey and you are encouraged to invest some minutes in it:
https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151
I will send a proper announcement next Monday, but in the meantime here is an illustrative link of links:
http://kevincarillo.org/2012/11/15/survey-update-after-1-week/
-- Quim
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Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:05:17 -0800 From: Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org To: bawolff+wn@gmail.com, Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Please take this survey about new contributors Message-ID: <CACxLwR=g3-TMBmqRVF4nYE=+_TaF+oie-vw13qtpe= 2-VvGMqw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, some of the questions were a little unclear - talking about the Wikimedia community, but Wikimedia (as a whole) is not a FOSS project.
Well, yes. We could say that Wikimedia is _also_ a FOSS project, handling 5,4M lines of code as we speak.
I became a developer roughly 3 years ago. I've been a member of Wikimedia land since roughly 2005.
The you are fine since the survey is about the Wikimedia technical community.
Similarly, does being a gsoc participant count as being paid to work on MediaWiki - after all gsoc students do get money for doing MediaWiki things, etc.
I wouldn't count a one-off, modest paid contribution like GSoC.
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:59:54 -0800 From: Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org To: "Staff (All)" wmfall@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikitech-l] Welcome Juliusz Gonera as Software Developer to the Mobile Team! Message-ID: <CAMxhqbeAcnpC16Wz+QzpJsB2D= L2b8BneadOSjJuuTZcCf8VWQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I am pleased to announce that Juliusz Gonera joins WMF this week as a Software Developer (Mobile team) today.
Juliusz has worked at the University of Virginia, developing software for a laboratory that studies the macromolecular structure of proteins. Before that he created a system for sending bulk SMS messages for a Polish company. Juliusz is a proponent of open source and agile methodologies and apart from a few projects of his own [1] he contributes to open source software he uses. He has just moved to San Francisco and earlier lived in Virginia, Spain and Poland.
The team would like to welcome him and wish him success.
[1] - https://github.com/jgonera
--tomasz
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:29:58 -0700 From: Mono monomium@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia URL shortener Message-ID: < CAD6tHrUqLQk5uN+UHu52fJStfjSUsy6TG6vEi3Dny7fLGqfnyg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I think the wmf.co and related URLs are our best bet.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Luke Welling <lwelling@wikimedia.org
wrote:
There are some practical reasons for providing site specific domain shortening beyond owning a cool domain hack.
Discouraging the use of third party shorteners has real value. The web getting littered with urls that camouflage their destination, are tied to loss making commercial entities of unpredictable lifetime (eg tr.im), or tied to very well funded commercial entities that choose a ccTLD of unpredictable stability (eg bit.ly) is a bad thing. Providing the option of a short url that achieves whatever benefit was sought without breaking the way the web is supposed to work is a good thing.
Email used to be problematic for url sharing, as line breaks inserted at 70 characters would mean the recipient needed to notice that some urls had been chopped and reassemble them. This is probably only true for mailing lists now, as people who deliberately use a plain text only email client in 2012 will experience obtrusive side effects from senders only providing an HTML MIME part regularly. URL chopping will not be their major annoyance. Mailing lists still routinely strip attachments and encodings from mail that they propagate.
Mobile generally and twitter specifically are the most often cited justifications now. Aside from the obvious message length limits, cutting and pasting long strings can be hard on a small screen so people are in the short url habit.
Twitter is an annoying use case, as even if presented with a short url it currently replaces it with a potentially longer t.co url.
If all the project does is reduces the use of third party services that can permanently or transiently fail, can hide links to malware, break search engine rankings and search behaviour, and provide others with analytic insight into potentially sensitive user click throughs it is a good thing.
Luke Welling
PS my unobtainable cool domain hack of choice would be en.cy (but Cyprus don't do top level subdomains and require local presence)
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Neil Harris neil@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote:
On 19/11/12 02:09, MZMcBride wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
Providing a traditional URL shortener with traditional features would be useful, at least for some people, and would eliminate the need to use third-party URL shorteners internally, which have a commercial focus and unknown lifetime. If there was no integration with MW required, it would only take a couple of hours to set up.
Who's using third-party URL shorteners internally? A lot of services
would
be useful to at least some people (Wikimedians), but the cost of
setting
up _and maintaining_ such a service can't be overlooked, in my opinion.
Yes,
it would take a few hours to set up a URL shortening service (if that),
but
who's going to be responsible for fixing bugs in it, adding features,
and
doing general maintenance to the service for the indefinite future?
There
are already a number of Wikimedia services that struggle for limited resources. Before we add another, we must answer the maintenance
question.
MZMcBride
If a Wikimedia URL shortening service was to be created, it would make
sense
to, at the very least, (a) make the shortened link to real link
mappings
part of the standard Mediwiki XML dumps, so that they can be preserved alongside the content to which they refer, for access by future
archivists,
and (b) participate in initiatives such as the Internet Archive's 301works.org to preserve these links entirely outside the Wikimedia universe.
Also, on a separate but related note, has anyone considered creating
DOIs
for individual wiki page revisions?
-- Neil
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