Hoi, I am registered to the list, I could send mail using my thunderbird application. Now I cannot. I can send mail through the webmail facility of gmail.
I have asked on several IRC channels what is happening. I am getting annoyed by this as there is no answer as to what is happening and, there is therefore no solution imminent.
I use several mail accounts and the only thing I can think off is that my IP-number was blocked as I have used the wrong account to send stuff to the mailinglist. If this is so, there must be a way to unblock such an IP-number.
NB I wanted to warn for the use of arrays with categories. Some categories have multiple thousands of entries. Over time many of these will have multiple tens of thousands of entries so using arrays will be costly.
Thanks, GerardM
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, I am registered to the list, I could send mail using my thunderbird application. Now I cannot. I can send mail through the webmail facility of gmail.
Can you elaborate on this? Some details would help:
* What's the ISP you're sending through that doesn't work? * What's the email address? * What's the hostname of the mail server? * What exactly happens? * Are your mails rejected? * Any bounce messages? * Are your messages accepted but queued for moderation? * Do they vanish without trace? * Can you provide a sample message that you tried to send? (Including headers and any automated response if possible.)
I use several mail accounts and the only thing I can think off is that my IP-number was blocked as I have used the wrong account to send stuff to the mailinglist. If this is so, there must be a way to unblock such an IP-number.
What makes you think this? Did someone tell it to you? What IP address? Where was it blocked, by whom?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, I am registered to the list, I could send mail using my thunderbird application. Now I cannot. I can send mail through the webmail facility of gmail.
Can you elaborate on this? Some details would help:
- What's the ISP you're sending through that doesn't work?
I am using gmail with pop support
- What's the email address?
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
- What's the hostname of the mail server?
pop.gmail.com
- What exactly happens?
I push the send button and I get a message saying "an error has occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: you are not allowed to send mail to wikitech-l@wikimedia.org Please verify that your mail adress is correct in your mail preferences & try again"
- Are your mails rejected?
Yes
- Any bounce messages?
See above
- Are your messages accepted but queued for moderation?
No
- Do they vanish without trace?
They do not progress any further
- Can you provide a sample message that you tried to send? (Including
headers and any automated response if possible.)
I will try to send this one as a reply .. That does not work, however I can send a reply from within the webmail client. Now the thing is I have always been able to send mail through my Thunderbird installation. It is only since a couple of days that I have problems both with Wikitech and Foundation.
I use several mail accounts and the only thing I can think off is that my IP-number was blocked as I have used the wrong account to send stuff to the mailinglist. If this is so, there must be a way to unblock such an IP-number.
What makes you think this? Did someone tell it to you? What IP address? Where was it blocked, by whom?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Thanks Brion :)
The e-mail adress is the one I am sending this from
Brion Vibber (brion@pobox.com) [050410 17:07]:
GerardM wrote:
Hoi, I am registered to the list, I could send mail using my thunderbird application. Now I cannot. I can send mail through the webmail facility of gmail.
Can you elaborate on this? Some details would help:
I can't send mail as being from dgerard@gmail.com or fun@thingy.apana.org.au through my copy of Thunderbird, which is sending mail through mail.zen.co.uk .
First thought: has someone set up SPF on the Wikimedia servers?
- d.
On Apr 10, 2005 8:38 AM, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
- What's the hostname of the mail server?
pop.gmail.com
Note that this is an *incoming* mail-server. Your client will be sending mail *out* through a different server, which I'm guessing is the one provided by your ISP or some other server you use to connect.
Meanwhile, on Apr 10, 2005 1:45 PM, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
I can't send mail as being from dgerard@gmail.com or fun@thingy.apana.org.au through my copy of Thunderbird, which is sending mail through mail.zen.co.uk .
Aha, that could be the problem - note that GMail's instructions refer to you using smtp.gmail.com (http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13285 step 10 onwards).
First thought: has someone set up SPF on the Wikimedia servers?
That would make sense, because GMail does publish an SPF record, and you are sending through the "wrong" server. The "correct" way round that (according to SPF advocates) is to set up multiple SMTP servers in your mail-client - if Thunderbird's interface is similar enough to the one in Mozilla-MailNews, you'll need to click "Advanced..." under "Outgoing Server" to add it, and then again under the "Server Settings" page of your GMail account settings to use it.
To digress somewhat: As you may have noticed in the last paragraph, I don't count myself as an advocate of SPF - it's heart is in the right place, but it seems to break as many legitimate "tricks" of the e-mail system as genuine abuses. I had to argue with my ISP for a couple of weeks to stop them silently rejecting messages forwarded through a private domain (yes, I should really be telling the forwarder to change, but SRS looks even uglier to me).
Anyway, suffice to say that if someone *has* set up an SPF filter on the Wikimedia servers, I wonder if it should be set to be less strict, at least until such a time as more/most people have unbroken the things SPF breaks.
[On a really technical note, GMail's SPF record seems to define "everything else" as "neutral" not "fail"; it seems odd to me that this should result in such stern rejections but I guess I don't really know the mechanics - "v=spf1 a:mproxy.gmail.com a:rproxy.gmail.com a:wproxy.gmail.com a:zproxy.gmail.com a:nproxy.gmail.com ?all"]
[Now it will probably turn out to be something completely unrelated, and I'll look like a right ninny for ranting on. Ah, well...]
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