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svetlana

16 Aug 2014 16 Aug '14

7:29 a.m.

(Duplicating this mail, as I wasn't subscribed to mobile-l a minute ago.) On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, at 12:45, Nkansah Rexford wrote:

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[...] The Wikipedia app is currently under good development and I think its doing great.

We don't need apps. We need mobile websites which work as good as an app does. Oh, the waste of effort. I truly pledge you to work together to make a website which is so good that an 'app' is redundant. svetlana

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Dan Garry

16 Aug 16 Aug

2:18 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

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We don't need apps.

Read this to find out why you're wrong: http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/wikipedias-new-apps-are-good-for-you-but-theyr… Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation

Daniel Friesen

7:42 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app?

On 2014-08-16, 7:18 AM, Dan Garry wrote:

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On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

We don't need apps.

Read this to find out why you're wrong: http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/wikipedias-new-apps-are-good-for-you-but-theyr… Dan

Last time I checked Wikipedia Zero was not exclusive to the app. And while tricky, features like saving an article can be implemented on a website. Naturally of course, editing also does not require an app. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/]

svetlana

11:40 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 00:18, Dan Garry wrote:

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On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

We don't need apps.

Read this to find out why you're wrong: http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/wikipedias-new-apps-are-good-for-you-but-theyr… Dan

Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage [then you're not missing out people who have neither android nor ios] svetlana

Yuvi Panda

11:56 p.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:40 AM, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

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Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage

One of my favorite articles: http://alistapart.com/article/application-cache-is-a-douchebag -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog

Daniel Friesen

17 Aug 17 Aug

12:54 a.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app?

On 2014-08-16, 4:56 PM, Yuvi Panda wrote:

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On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:40 AM, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage

One of my favorite articles: http://alistapart.com/article/application-cache-is-a-douchebag

On 2014-08-16, 5:15 PM, svetlana wrote:

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... That is OK, you and Yuvi Panda highlighted some important points. Thanks to both - I'll follow-up if I find solution to the application cache issues raised in the blog post linked earlier. svetlana

Issues? The article is one of my favourites too, if you read through the whole thing it describes a technique of combining appcache, localStorage, and an iframe to make it possible for a site like Wikipedia to be made to work offline. And localStorage could even be substituted for IndexedDB (with a polyfill for WebSQL only browsers). ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/]

svetlana

3:36 a.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app?

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Daniel Friesen wrote:

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On 2014-08-16, 4:56 PM, Yuvi Panda wrote:

On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:40 AM, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage

One of my favorite articles: http://alistapart.com/article/application-cache-is-a-douchebag

On 2014-08-16, 5:15 PM, svetlana wrote:

Could someone please tell me why I'm getting two different threads with this subject in my inbox? I have trouble following. Thought that your point is that offline storage in browser is hard, and that's /why/ mobile apps exist. It's really hard to discuss this by email. svetlana

Dan Garry

12:04 a.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

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We don't need apps. We need mobile websites which work as good as an app does. Oh, the waste of effort.

It appears to me like you have issues with this project that go way beyond what I can help you with. I suggest you take it up with the senior management. I won't be responding to this thread further. Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation

svetlana

12:15 a.m.

New subject: [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 10:04, Dan Garry wrote:

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On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana <svetlana(a)fastmail.com.au> wrote:

We don't need apps. We need mobile websites which work as good as an app does. Oh, the waste of effort.

That is OK, you and Yuvi Panda highlighted some important points. Thanks to both - I'll follow-up if I find solution to the application cache issues raised in the blog post linked earlier. svetlana

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