Hi,
I think it would be cool to implement a feature which would allow users to group all their accounts, it would be very useful for sites like english wikipedia so that people could avoid being accused for "sock puppetry" (using more than one account) by marking the accounts as grouped, it is possible to create account in mediawiki so that you can see in log that it was created by someone else, but this log is available only for wiki where it was registered on and it's also not possible to mark account later in case you forgot to create it in proper way
Statistics of users would be also more accurate because you would be able to list groups only instead of all users and you would see exact number of users and not number of all accounts, including alternative accounts
This group interface could allow people to group their account anytime, the grouped accounts would be still completely separate, with different configuration, etc. But it would allow to check how many and which accounts someone have in a simpler way than it's now. (browsing multiple logs isn't really easy)
My idea is that each account would implicitly have a group which would be identical to its name, User:TestyBob would be a member of group TestyBob but it would be possible to change this group to any existing group, it would be of course needed to confirm this from target account, then you would just display members of group Test and you would see list of all accounts linked to the "main account", so you would know who is owner, how many account they have and such. I think it would be best to do this on a SUL level, so that it would work project independent.
Example:
User:Bob - member of Group:Bob User:CoolBotofBob - member of Group:Bob User:Bob (testing) - member of Group:Bob
in this case user has 3 accounts, grouped in a group Bob, it's clear that Bob is a main account of user
User:Peter - member of Group:Peter
in this case, user has only 1 user account which is a member of its own group
we have 4 accounts in mediawiki and 2 users in this scenario
When user bob create a new account User:B0b he could just change Group:B0b to Group:Bob and then confirm it from his main account User:Bob, there would be a special page which would allow to list members of groups, so it would be really easy to look up if user has alternative accounts etc.
Thank you for responses, it's just a proposal and it can be heavily changed upon your feedback.
Looks good. Although I'd rename the "member of Group:Bob" to "belongs to User:Bob", so you would have: User:Bob User:BobBot - belongs to User:Bob User:Bob (testing) - belongs to User:Bob User:Bob (vector skin) - belongs to User:Bob
Although this opens the can of accounts with different names on several wikis. User:BobBot may belong to User:Bob everywhere but in wikis Foo, Bar and Baz, where Bob username was taken and he is known as 'Bob2'. Showing that "BobBot is of Bob" may be a bit confusing as in that wiki Bob is a different guy (even if coherent due to usage of sul usernames).
It's not a problem to have sul Bob2 as belonging to Bob, but the local Bob may belong to global "Bob Smith". And if we start user groups, the Bob Smiths out there will ask for them to be recognised. Maybe there could be local accounts attached to user groups separatedly from sul ones.
I had a related question: Is there any way to actually verify the logins of Wikimedia users w/o username/password?
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Looks good. Although I'd rename the "member of Group:Bob" to "belongs to User:Bob", so you would have: User:Bob User:BobBot - belongs to User:Bob User:Bob (testing) - belongs to User:Bob User:Bob (vector skin) - belongs to User:Bob
Although this opens the can of accounts with different names on several wikis. User:BobBot may belong to User:Bob everywhere but in wikis Foo, Bar and Baz, where Bob username was taken and he is known as 'Bob2'. Showing that "BobBot is of Bob" may be a bit confusing as in that wiki Bob is a different guy (even if coherent due to usage of sul usernames).
It's not a problem to have sul Bob2 as belonging to Bob, but the local Bob may belong to global "Bob Smith". And if we start user groups, the Bob Smiths out there will ask for them to be recognised. Maybe there could be local accounts attached to user groups separatedly from sul ones.
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Mono mium monomium@gmail.com writes:
I had a related question: Is there any way to actually verify the logins of Wikimedia users w/o username/password?
See http://toolserver.org/~magnus/tusc.php. It verifies accounts by asking you to edit your talk page with a hash.
There is also an OAuth proposal: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OAuth
Mark.
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 19:08, Mono mium monomium@gmail.com wrote:
I had a related question: Is there any way to actually verify the logins of Wikimedia users w/o username/password?
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/tusc.php
There's been some talk about OAuth and OpenID but I imagine they're both still a ways off.
-Jeremy
Basically this comes back again to the "cool... oh wait SUL" thought process...
Way back at the dawn of CentralAuth, the whole merging accounts 'thing' was hopefully touted as a transitionary phase, with the ultimate nirvana being having every username on every wiki either part of a global account, reserved for a global account, or universally available; whereupon SUL would cease to be an issue for projects like this (User:BobBot is a universal global account affiliated to the User:Bob global account, everywhere). Does anyone have any stats on how far short we are of that goal? As in, what fraction of accounts on all wikis are still part of the 'messy' part of SUL rather than the 'clean' part?
--HM
On 1 January 2012 23:27, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Looks good. Although I'd rename the "member of Group:Bob" to "belongs to User:Bob", so you would have: User:Bob User:BobBot - belongs to User:Bob User:Bob (testing) - belongs to User:Bob User:Bob (vector skin) - belongs to User:Bob
Although this opens the can of accounts with different names on several wikis. User:BobBot may belong to User:Bob everywhere but in wikis Foo, Bar and Baz, where Bob username was taken and he is known as 'Bob2'. Showing that "BobBot is of Bob" may be a bit confusing as in that wiki Bob is a different guy (even if coherent due to usage of sul usernames).
It's not a problem to have sul Bob2 as belonging to Bob, but the local Bob may belong to global "Bob Smith". And if we start user groups, the Bob Smiths out there will ask for them to be recognised. Maybe there could be local accounts attached to user groups separatedly from sul ones.
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