Hi, While working on implementing VERP for Mediawiki[1], Nemo pointed to me, Tyler' recommendation[2] on shifting from PHP mailer to Swift Mailer[3]. Quoting Tyler's words : "PHPMailer has everything packed into a few classes, whereas Swift_Mailer actually has a separation of concerns, with classes for attachments, transport types, etc. A result of this is that PHPMailer has two different functions for embedding multimedia: addEmbeddedImage() for files and addStringEmbeddedImage() for strings. Another example is that PHPMailer supports only two bodies for multipart messages, whereas Swift_Mailer will add in as many bodies as you tell it to since a body is wrapped in its own object. In addition, PHPMailer only really supports SMTP, whereas Swift_Mailer has an extensible transport architecture, and multiple transport providers. (And there's also plugins, and monolog integration, etc".
My mentors too think about it to be a nice idea, and Nemo recommended adding it to my GSoC project deliverable here ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VERP#Deliverables ). But, we need more community-consensus on the same as this needs to be done first, and VERP as a plugin to it, if Swift mailer needs to be done. I have opened a BZ ticket for the same ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483 ). Please comment to this thread or in the BZ regarding the shift as it needs to be done for a start. The discussions we had on this till date is here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928.
[1]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VERP [2]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Third-party_compone... [3]: http://swiftmailer.org/
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
Hi, Looks like there isn't any more reply about this proposal on shifting from UserMailer to Swift-Mailer. Since, we have already started with implementing VERP, it's high time this enhancement needs to be applied, if it needs to be. If Swift-Mailer is to be done, VERP needs to be implemented as a plugin to it, or else as an additional script in the UserMailer code.
Bugzilla ticket:- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, While working on implementing VERP for Mediawiki[1], Nemo pointed to me, Tyler' recommendation[2] on shifting from PHP mailer to Swift Mailer[3]. Quoting Tyler's words : "PHPMailer has everything packed into a few classes, whereas Swift_Mailer actually has a separation of concerns, with classes for attachments, transport types, etc. A result of this is that PHPMailer has two different functions for embedding multimedia: addEmbeddedImage() for files and addStringEmbeddedImage() for strings. Another example is that PHPMailer supports only two bodies for multipart messages, whereas Swift_Mailer will add in as many bodies as you tell it to since a body is wrapped in its own object. In addition, PHPMailer only really supports SMTP, whereas Swift_Mailer has an extensible transport architecture, and multiple transport providers. (And there's also plugins, and monolog integration, etc".
My mentors too think about it to be a nice idea, and Nemorecommended adding it to my GSoC project deliverable here ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VERP#Deliverables ). But, we need more community-consensus on the same as this needs to be done first, and VERP as a plugin to it, if Swift mailer needs to be done. I have opened a BZ ticket for the same ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483 ). Please comment to this thread or in the BZ regarding the shift as it needs to be done for a start. The discussions we had on this till date is here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928.
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
Hi Tony,
could you clarify your intention for this email? Are you seeking for more input whether it's a good idea, or if this actually needed? Or are you searching for agreement as you plan to work on a patch yourself? Or are you looking for somebody to work on this?
It's not entirely clear to me from your email.
Thanks, andre
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 21:28 +0530, Tony Thomas wrote:
Hi, Looks like there isn't any more reply about this proposal on shifting from UserMailer to Swift-Mailer. Since, we have already started with implementing VERP, it's high time this enhancement needs to be applied, if it needs to be. If Swift-Mailer is to be done, VERP needs to be implemented as a plugin to it, or else as an additional script in the UserMailer code.
Bugzilla ticket:- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, While working on implementing VERP for Mediawiki[1], Nemo pointed to me, Tyler' recommendation[2] on shifting from PHP mailer to Swift Mailer[3]. Quoting Tyler's words : "PHPMailer has everything packed into a few classes, whereas Swift_Mailer actually has a separation of concerns, with classes for attachments, transport types, etc. A result of this is that PHPMailer has two different functions for embedding multimedia: addEmbeddedImage() for files and addStringEmbeddedImage() for strings. Another example is that PHPMailer supports only two bodies for multipart messages, whereas Swift_Mailer will add in as many bodies as you tell it to since a body is wrapped in its own object. In addition, PHPMailer only really supports SMTP, whereas Swift_Mailer has an extensible transport architecture, and multiple transport providers. (And there's also plugins, and monolog integration, etc".
My mentors too think about it to be a nice idea, and Nemorecommended adding it to my GSoC project deliverable here ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VERP#Deliverables ). But, we need more community-consensus on the same as this needs to be done first, and VERP as a plugin to it, if Swift mailer needs to be done. I have opened a BZ ticket for the same ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483 ). Please comment to this thread or in the BZ regarding the shift as it needs to be done for a start. The discussions we had on this till date is here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928.
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
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Hello Andre, I was indeed in search of more input whether it's a good idea or bad one. Nemo tells me it will be a nice move to shift from the conventional usermailer [1]. Since its an additional task in my proposal, I am ready to take up the shifting job, as it needs to be done first, should it be done. If anyone would like to take up the job, I would be happy to pair with them too. Some discussions:- [1] : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Third-party_compone... [2] : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Hi Tony,
could you clarify your intention for this email? Are you seeking for more input whether it's a good idea, or if this actually needed? Or are you searching for agreement as you plan to work on a patch yourself? Or are you looking for somebody to work on this?
It's not entirely clear to me from your email.
Thanks, andre
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 21:28 +0530, Tony Thomas wrote:
Hi, Looks like there isn't any more reply about this proposal on shifting from UserMailer to Swift-Mailer. Since, we have already started with implementing VERP, it's high time this enhancement needs to be applied, if it needs to be. If Swift-Mailer is to be done, VERP needs to
be
implemented as a plugin to it, or else as an additional script in the UserMailer code.
Bugzilla ticket:- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, While working on implementing VERP for Mediawiki[1], Nemo pointed to me, Tyler' recommendation[2] on shifting from PHP mailer to Swift Mailer[3]. Quoting Tyler's words : "PHPMailer has everything packed into a few classes, whereas
Swift_Mailer
actually has a separation of concerns, with classes for attachments, transport types, etc. A result of this is that PHPMailer has two
different
functions for embedding multimedia: addEmbeddedImage() for files and addStringEmbeddedImage() for strings. Another example is that PHPMailer supports only two bodies for multipart messages, whereas Swift_Mailer
will
add in as many bodies as you tell it to since a body is wrapped in its
own
object. In addition, PHPMailer only really supports SMTP, whereas Swift_Mailer has an extensible transport architecture, and multiple transport providers. (And there's also plugins, and monolog
integration,
etc".
My mentors too think about it to be a nice idea, and Nemorecommended adding it to my GSoC project deliverable here ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VERP#Deliverables ). But, we need more community-consensus on the same as this needs to be done first, and
VERP as
a plugin to it, if Swift mailer needs to be done. I have opened a BZ
ticket
for the same ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483 ). Please comment to this thread or in the BZ regarding the shift as it
needs
to be done for a start. The discussions we had on this till date is
here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928.
[2]:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Third-party_compone...
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
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Hi, We have prepared the PS on shifting from PEAR to SwiftMailer. Please go through and review the PS here ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135290/ ). As the commit message says - there are some compatibility issues like :-
* Couldn't find an alternative for the 'IDHost' in SwiftMailer SMTP parameters * Safemode check when $wgSMTP is unset is removed. Dont think that is necessary when using SwiftMailer * $wgAdditionalMailParams is not sent to SwiftMailer when $wgSMTP is unset, which doesn't sound needed according to http://swiftmailer.org/docs/sending.html#the-mail-transport
Anyway, I could test the code successfully with Gmail SMTP settings and no SMTP settings.
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi, there is a way"*
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Andre, I was indeed in search of more input whether it's a good idea or bad one. Nemo tells me it will be a nice move to shift from the conventional usermailer [1]. Since its an additional task in my proposal, I am ready to take up the shifting job, as it needs to be done first, should it be done. If anyone would like to take up the job, I would be happy to pair with them too. Some discussions:- [1] : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Third-party_compone... [2] : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Hi Tony,
could you clarify your intention for this email? Are you seeking for more input whether it's a good idea, or if this actually needed? Or are you searching for agreement as you plan to work on a patch yourself? Or are you looking for somebody to work on this?
It's not entirely clear to me from your email.
Thanks, andre
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 21:28 +0530, Tony Thomas wrote:
Hi, Looks like there isn't any more reply about this proposal on shifting from UserMailer to Swift-Mailer. Since, we have already started with implementing VERP, it's high time this enhancement needs to be applied, if it needs to be. If Swift-Mailer is to be done, VERP needs
to be
implemented as a plugin to it, or else as an additional script in the UserMailer code.
Bugzilla ticket:- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Tony Thomas 01tonythomas@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, While working on implementing VERP for Mediawiki[1], Nemo pointed to me, Tyler' recommendation[2] on shifting from PHP mailer to Swift Mailer[3]. Quoting Tyler's words : "PHPMailer has everything packed into a few classes, whereas
Swift_Mailer
actually has a separation of concerns, with classes for attachments, transport types, etc. A result of this is that PHPMailer has two
different
functions for embedding multimedia: addEmbeddedImage() for files and addStringEmbeddedImage() for strings. Another example is that
PHPMailer
supports only two bodies for multipart messages, whereas Swift_Mailer
will
add in as many bodies as you tell it to since a body is wrapped in
its own
object. In addition, PHPMailer only really supports SMTP, whereas Swift_Mailer has an extensible transport architecture, and multiple transport providers. (And there's also plugins, and monolog
integration,
etc".
My mentors too think about it to be a nice idea, and Nemorecommended adding it to my GSoC project deliverable here ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VERP#Deliverables ). But, we need more community-consensus on the same as this needs to be done first, and
VERP as
a plugin to it, if Swift mailer needs to be done. I have opened a BZ
ticket
for the same ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63483). Please comment to this thread or in the BZ regarding the shift as it
needs
to be done for a start. The discussions we had on this till date is
here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:VERP#Swift_Mailer_and_VERP__40928
.
[2]:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Third-party_compone...
Thanks, Tony Thomas http://tttwrites.in FOSS@Amrita http://foss.amrita.ac.in
*"where there is a wifi,there is a way"*
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