"""On 8 June, 2011, Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Akamai and Limelight Networks will be amongst some of the major organisations that will offer their content over IPv6 for a 24-hour "test drive". The goal of the Test Drive Day is to motivate organizations across the industry – Internet service providers, hardware makers, operating system vendors and web companies – to prepare their services for IPv6 to ensure a successful transition as IPv4 addresses run out. """
See http://isoc.org/wp/worldipv6day/ .
Shouldn't Wikimedia participate in this event? What needs to be done to make this possible?
Maarten
On the mediawiki side of things: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IPv6_support On the wikimedia side of things: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/IPv6_deployment
I have no idea on the current stati or is that statues of those pages. -Peachey
I've run MediaWiki on an IPv6 only (and Dual Stack) enviroment and it works just fine (from my limited testing). So the issues are probably more on the infrastructure side and trying not to horribly maim the site for a day.
-Jon
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 04:27, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On the mediawiki side of things: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IPv6_support On the wikimedia side of things: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/IPv6_deployment
I have no idea on the current stati or is that statues of those pages. -Peachey
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2011/1/16 Jon Davis wiki@konsoletek.com:
I've run MediaWiki on an IPv6 only (and Dual Stack) enviroment and it works just fine (from my limited testing). So the issues are probably more on the infrastructure side and trying not to horribly maim the site for a day.
With anonymous editors? And checkuser?
Yes on both accounts (Even blocks). I've not tested every extension and every function, but in my use of MediaWiki on IPv6, there was no breakage. For the project sites though, the issue is probably more on media pulls and squid, since those do 95% of the work.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 05:54, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:
2011/1/16 Jon Davis wiki@konsoletek.com:
I've run MediaWiki on an IPv6 only (and Dual Stack) enviroment and it
works
just fine (from my limited testing). So the issues are probably more on
the
infrastructure side and trying not to horribly maim the site for a day.
With anonymous editors? And checkuser?
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Mark Bergsma has been testing / gathering statistics on IPv6 at nl.wikipedia.org:
* http://nl.wikipedia.org/?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&diff=20163563 * http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/IPv6.js * http://ipv4.labs.wikimedia.org/ * http://ipv6and4.labs.wikimedia.org/
-- Krinkle
Op 16 jan 2011, om 14:32 heeft Jon Davis het volgende geschreven:
I've run MediaWiki on an IPv6 only (and Dual Stack) enviroment and it works just fine (from my limited testing). So the issues are probably more on the infrastructure side and trying not to horribly maim the site for a day.
-Jon
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 04:27, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On the mediawiki side of things: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IPv6_support On the wikimedia side of things: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/IPv6_deployment
I have no idea on the current stati or is that statues of those pages. -Peachey
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"Maarten Dammers" maarten@mdammers.nl wrote in message news:4D32E0DE.8020700@mdammers.nl...
"""On 8 June, 2011, Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Akamai and Limelight Networks will be amongst some of the major organisations that will offer their content over IPv6 for a 24-hour "test drive". The goal of the Test Drive Day is to motivate organizations across the industry – Internet service providers, hardware makers, operating system vendors and web companies – to prepare their services for IPv6 to ensure a successful transition as IPv4 addresses run out. """
See http://isoc.org/wp/worldipv6day/ .
Shouldn't Wikimedia participate in this event? What needs to be done to make this possible?
Maarten
I don't entirely understand the point of this. The plan seems to be """get a large enough fraction of 'the internet' to make a change which breaks for some people all at the same time, so that those people get angry with the ISPs that haven't got off their arses to fix said breakage, rather than angry with the broken sites""", which is fair enough. But AFAICT, the breakage won't occur if your connection can't 'do' IPv6, but only if your connection can't 'do' both IPv4 *and* IPv6 on the same site at the same time. Surely that's not actually the problem that we need to solve if we're to be able to migrate smoothly onto IPv6? When the IPv4 addresses run out, we need to be able to start setting up websites which are *only* v6, surely?
--HM
I don't entirely understand the point of this. The plan seems to be """get a large enough fraction of 'the internet' to make a change which breaks for some people all at the same time, so that those people get angry with the ISPs that haven't got off their arses to fix said breakage, rather than angry with the broken sites""", which is fair enough. But AFAICT, the breakage won't occur if your connection can't 'do' IPv6, but only if your connection can't 'do' both IPv4 *and* IPv6 on the same site at the same time. Surely that's not actually the problem that we need to solve if we're to be able to migrate smoothly onto IPv6? When the IPv4 addresses run out, we need to be able to start setting up websites which are *only* v6, surely?
While the world transitions, some people won't have IPv6 at all, only IPv4. We need to support both for a while.
And to answer the question of this thread, yes, we do hope to participate.
Respectfully,
Ryan Lane
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Happy-melon happy-melon@live.com wrote:
I don't entirely understand the point of this. The plan seems to be """get a large enough fraction of 'the internet' to make a change which breaks for some people all at the same time, so that those people get angry with the ISPs that haven't got off their arses to fix said breakage, rather than angry with the broken sites""", which is fair enough.
No, the point is to test what happens if IPv6 is supported on a large scale. It's known from small-scale testing that this will break things for some small percentage of users, but no one's sure what the consequences are of switching this on fully for everyone.
But AFAICT, the breakage won't occur if your connection can't 'do' IPv6, but only if your connection can't 'do' both IPv4 *and* IPv6 on the same site at the same time. Surely that's not actually the problem that we need to solve if we're to be able to migrate smoothly onto IPv6? When the IPv4 addresses run out, we need to be able to start setting up websites which are *only* v6, surely?
There are many more clients in the world than servers, and servers have always been able to get dedicated IPv4 addresses much more easily than clients. A server Internet connection in America will typically come with as many IPv4 addresses as you need, while you usually can't get a dedicated residential IP address unless you pay extra. (And America has more IP addresses allocated per capita than anywhere else in the world, since it originally developed the Internet.)
So as IPv4 addresses become scarcer, the pressure to use IPv6 only will fall mostly on residential users. Clients with only an IPv6 address will only be able to get direct connections to IPv6-enabled servers. The way servers are supposed to do this is serve both A and AAAA records for the same domain, so IPv4 clients use the A record and IPv6 clients use the AAAA record.
Unfortunately, someone at some point decided that if the client supports both IPv4 and IPv6, and the server publishes both A and AAAA records, the client should connect via IPv6. In practice, almost no sites use IPv6, so the infrastructure is much less well-tested. Clients that think they have IPv6 connections might actually have the connection eaten by a middlebox, or just be slower or less reliable. So sites don't turn on the AAAA records in practice because it degrades service for clients with IPv6 connections, which means the servers aren't accessible to IPv6-only clients without workarounds.
IPv6 day is an attempt to see what happens if major sites publish AAAA records for a while. Stuff will break, but hopefully not too horribly, and it will give both site operators and ISPs the chance to analyze what's wrong with their IPv6 support and what they can do to fix it. This is a step toward major sites publishing AAAA records all the time, which is necessary to support IPv6-only clients.
Something like that, anyway. I'm hardly an expert on these things.
Hoi, Do we have statistics of the IPv6 traffic ? Thanks, GerardM
On 16 January 2011 13:13, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
"""On 8 June, 2011, Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Akamai and Limelight Networks will be amongst some of the major organisations that will offer their content over IPv6 for a 24-hour "test drive". The goal of the Test Drive Day is to motivate organizations across the industry – Internet service providers, hardware makers, operating system vendors and web companies – to prepare their services for IPv6 to ensure a successful transition as IPv4 addresses run out. """
See http://isoc.org/wp/worldipv6day/ .
Shouldn't Wikimedia participate in this event? What needs to be done to make this possible?
Maarten
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