I'm setting up htdig search integration for the mailing lists; once that's working, list archives for all remaining lists will be forbidden from robots.txt.
This should hopefully cut down on requests to remove items from the list archives due to someone's name showing up on Google from posting a message to a public list.
The mail server will be briefly shut down while upgrading.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
I'm setting up htdig search integration for the mailing lists; once that's working, list archives for all remaining lists will be forbidden from robots.txt.
This should hopefully cut down on requests to remove items from the list archives due to someone's name showing up on Google from posting a message to a public list.
The mail server will be briefly shut down while upgrading.
Mail is back online. Searching should be available after indexes are built, if all goes well.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
I'm setting up htdig search integration for the mailing lists; once that's working, list archives for all remaining lists will be forbidden from robots.txt.
This should hopefully cut down on requests to remove items from the list archives due to someone's name showing up on Google from posting a message to a public list.
Mail is back online. Searching should be available after indexes are built, if all goes well.
Seems to more or less work now. Not all lists are indexed yet, so have patience; lists will be reindexed nightly.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Now, only if you could remove the mailing list submissions from those third party mirrors.... :)
Travis
On 11/2/06, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
I'm setting up htdig search integration for the mailing lists; once that's working, list archives for all remaining lists will be forbidden from robots.txt.
This should hopefully cut down on requests to remove items from the list archives due to someone's name showing up on Google from posting a message to a public list.
The mail server will be briefly shut down while upgrading.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Brion Vibber wrote:
I'm setting up htdig search integration for the mailing lists; once that's working, list archives for all remaining lists will be forbidden from robots.txt.
This should hopefully cut down on requests to remove items from the list archives due to someone's name showing up on Google from posting a message to a public list.
I don't understand. Why don't you just remove the e-mail addresses from the archives? You've now rendered Google useless for searching the mailing lists, and I'm sure you know that nothing else achieves its level of usefulness...
I'm setting up htdig search integration for the mailing lists; once that's working, list archives for all remaining lists will be forbidden from robots.txt.
This should hopefully cut down on requests to remove items from the list archives due to someone's name showing up on Google from posting a message to a public list.
I don't understand. Why don't you just remove the e-mail addresses from the archives? You've now rendered Google useless for searching the mailing lists, and I'm sure you know that nothing else achieves its level of usefulness...
I'm not sure it's the email address that's the problem.
If I recall correctly, at least one of the requests was from someone ("user-A") who used their real name and their Wikipedia username together (just once) in an email to one of the mailing lists.
This then allowed another Wikipedia user ("user-B"), who had developed a grudge against user-A, and who had been blocked on the Wikipedia, to use Google to find the real name of user-A, whereas previously they only knew their username.
User-B then posted on their personal web site various things attacking user-A, using user-A's real name. As a result, someone googling user-A's name would get various results, some of which were effectively slandering user-A.
User-A was then able to use various legal avenues to get user-B to remove this stuff from their website.
However, user-A also requested that the particular message (which allowed the connection between their Wikipedia name & their real name) be deleted from the mailing list archives (or made so that no search engine would index it), to try and prevent the same thing ever happening to them again.
There may be other reasons too, but at least in this case, it wasn't the email address that was the issue, rather it was the mailing list serving as username <--> real name lookup table.
All the best, Nick.
Nick Jenkins wrote:
If I recall correctly, at least one of the requests was from someone ("user-A") who used their real name and their Wikipedia username together (just once) in an email to one of the mailing lists.
Argh. You know what this means? Just because one user did something they regretted, we are now all prevented from googling the archives. WTF? Surely the scenario you described was their problem, not ours, so why are we penalised for it?
"Timwi" timwi@gmx.net wrote in message news:eigng9$boa$1@sea.gmane.org...
Nick Jenkins wrote:
If I recall correctly, at least one of the requests was from someone ("user-A") who used their real name and their Wikipedia username together (just once) in an email to one of the mailing lists.
Argh. You know what this means? Just because one user did something they regretted, we are now all prevented from googling the archives. WTF? Surely the scenario you described was their problem, not ours, so why are we penalised for it?
I agree. People should learn to take responsibility for their actions. Mailing lists like this are permanent and public records. Newsgroups are permanent and public records. Forums are permanent and public records. It's not our fault if someone decided to post something they shouldn't have. If I was holding a press conference and accidentally mentioned something I shouldn't have I would have no right to tell the journalists not to publish it, and they most defenitely ignore me if I did!
The very most that should be done is to edit the database/files/wherever the post is stored and XXX out the offending text.
- Mark Clements (HappyDog)
Timwi wrote:
Nick Jenkins wrote:
If I recall correctly, at least one of the requests was from someone ("user-A") who used their real name and their Wikipedia username together (just once) in an email to one of the mailing lists.
Argh. You know what this means? Just because one user did something they regretted, we are now all prevented from googling the archives. WTF? Surely the scenario you described was their problem, not ours, so why are we penalised for it?
After a few dozen of those, yeah. I'm tired of fighting with people over stupid shit like that.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Timwi wrote:
Argh. You know what this means? Just because one user did something they regretted, we are now all prevented from googling the archives. WTF? Surely the scenario you described was their problem, not ours, so why are we penalised for it?
After a few dozen of those, yeah. I'm tired of fighting with people over stupid shit like that.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
It's the mail program's field 'User name' + using the same email for everything what 'leaks' information on the from field. As the user haven't typed on the message it's a bit hidden ;-)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Timwi wrote:
Nick Jenkins wrote:
If I recall correctly, at least one of the requests was from someone ("user-A") who used their real name and their Wikipedia username together (just once) in an email to one of the mailing lists.
Argh. You know what this means? Just because one user did something they regretted, we are now all prevented from googling the archives. WTF? Surely the scenario you described was their problem, not ours, so why are we penalised for it?
After a few dozen of those, yeah. I'm tired of fighting with people over stupid shit like that.
So don't. Ignore them. Instead, you're giving in to an unreasonable request from them.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope you'll /still/ receive complaints that things people posted are visible publicly, even if it's not googlable. Then hopefully you'll reinstate Google's indexing.
Timwi
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