Hi fellow wikipedians ;-)
I exchanged emails with Brion about ideas for setting up a local wiki running on either Linspire, Mac OSX, or Windows.
I'm doing a presentation on Wikipedia for a couple of conferences in NH, about 120 educators and admins will be attending the presentations, at the McAuliffe Conference and the NHAWLT conference.
Do you have ideas as to what would be the easier setup and what would be a good perhaps thorough enough introduction to Wikimedia and its projects?
Any input on this is welcome.
with regards always, Jay B. [[w:en:User:ILVI]]
Just my 2 cents:
If you already know Linux quite well, then that would probably be your platform of choice (if MediaWiki has a "native" platform, then I guess you prolly have to say that it's Linux). Linux can however (despite all progress) still be quite daunting for the wholly uninitiated (oh, I know I will get flamed for this beyond measure).
I would not recommend Windows. Not that I've actually tried MediaWiki on Windows, but it's the least "UNIXarian" of the three and MediaWiki is sort of "at home" in an UNIX-like environment. Windows installs are possible but maybe not just encouraged that much.
I've personally installed MediaWiki on Mac OS X and it can be got to run with quite moderate effort and even with a limited skillset (such as mine). There is a decent walkthrough at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Running_MediaWiki_on_Mac_OS_X . However: I am not so sure how complete it is in terms of the "securing Apache" section -- I personally haven't yet figured that one out. So you want some old pro to check things in terms of security. (That actually goes for installs on all OSes.) Neither have I gotten URL rewriting to work. So Mac OS X is not perfect either.
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On 25 Oct 2004, at 14:51, ilooy wrote:
Hi fellow wikipedians ;-)
I exchanged emails with Brion about ideas for setting up a local wiki running on either Linspire, Mac OSX, or Windows.
I'm doing a presentation on Wikipedia for a couple of conferences in NH, about 120 educators and admins will be attending the presentations, at the McAuliffe Conference and the NHAWLT conference.
Do you have ideas as to what would be the easier setup and what would be a good perhaps thorough enough introduction to Wikimedia and its projects?
Any input on this is welcome.
with regards always, Jay B. [[w:en:User:ILVI]]
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On Oct 25, 2004, at 9:26 AM, Jens Ropers wrote:
I've personally installed MediaWiki on Mac OS X and it can be got to run with quite moderate effort and even with a limited skillset (such as mine). There is a decent walkthrough at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Running_MediaWiki_on_Mac_OS_X . However: I am not so sure how complete it is in terms of the "securing Apache" section -- I personally haven't yet figured that one out. So you want some old pro to check things in terms of security. (That actually goes for installs on all OSes.) Neither have I gotten URL rewriting to work. So Mac OS X is not perfect either.
In what way does it not work?
(I do most of my MediaWiki development on Mac OS X, so I have some interest in it working smoothly. ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Can I come back to you Real Soon Now on this? (ie. at a SIGNIFICANTLY later date) I've not really got the time at present to delve back into my MediaWiki install and was thinking of getting back to it only when 1.4 is out -- HOWEVER: I too have a MAJOR interest in getting this to run properly and securely on Mac OS X and *BSD (I think my host uses FreeBSD).
I'll save this email outside of my regular queue/archive and I'll try get back to you if that's ok.
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On 25 Oct 2004, at 19:27, Brion Vibber wrote:
On Oct 25, 2004, at 9:26 AM, Jens Ropers wrote:
I've personally installed MediaWiki on Mac OS X and it can be got to run with quite moderate effort and even with a limited skillset (such as mine). There is a decent walkthrough at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Running_MediaWiki_on_Mac_OS_X . However: I am not so sure how complete it is in terms of the "securing Apache" section -- I personally haven't yet figured that one out. So you want some old pro to check things in terms of security. (That actually goes for installs on all OSes.) Neither have I gotten URL rewriting to work. So Mac OS X is not perfect either.
In what way does it not work?
(I do most of my MediaWiki development on Mac OS X, so I have some interest in it working smoothly. ;)
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On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Jens Ropers wrote:
Can I come back to you Real Soon Now on this? (ie. at a SIGNIFICANTLY later date)
Sure, I'll be here. ;)
I've not really got the time at present to delve back into my MediaWiki install and was thinking of getting back to it only when 1.4 is out -- HOWEVER: I too have a MAJOR interest in getting this to run properly and securely on Mac OS X and *BSD (I think my host uses FreeBSD).
For all intents and purposes MediaWiki should run the same under Apache on Linux, FreeBSD, and Mac OS X.
The only exception I can think of is bug 362, which is that if your wiki is set for Latin-1 and uploads are enabled, you can't upload files with non-ASCII filenames (since the filesystem uses Unicode names and speaks UTF-8 to the BSD layer, rather than using raw byte strings that might happen to be interpreted as UTF-8 by applications, or might happen not to be; invalid UTF-8 will be rejected and the file can't be written).
I would though recommend upgrading PHP, as Mac OS X 10.3 comes with 4.3.2 which is a bit out of date.
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