Folks-
Big congrats on the first general-public visual editor demo. We've been hoping for a while that someone would work on a non-designMode/contentEditable editor. This looks -great-!
We're interested in using the editor in LocalWiki. We're currently using a highly-modified CKeditor, which will probably keep working well for a year or so, but beyond that it's not very future-proof. We've done a lot of work to make our editing experience consistent and fun, but it's a real pain to hack on new editor-specific functionality because CKeditor is so fickle. We'd love nothing more than to throw it in a trashbin and set it afire. But such is technology.
The first question I have is: how much trouble will we encounter if we're not using wiki markup? We store everything as HTML5 everywhere, and we're converting our old sites to HTML5 on import.
We should hang out and have a little show-and-tell! Maybe early Jan?
Best, Philip LocalWiki http://localwiki.org
(Apologies if you're seeing this email twice. My first send was seemingly silently rejected)
The first question I have is: how much trouble will we encounter if we're not using wiki markup? We store everything as HTML5 everywhere, and we're converting our old sites to HTML5 on import.
Our current parser pipeline also converts the mixed wiki/html markup into an annotated HTML5 DOM, and then (actually since today) converts that to WikiDom. So good support for back-and-forth between WikiDom and HTML DOM is highly likely.
Gabriel
It's important to note that technically if one were to bypass wikitext completely, you could store serialized wikidom instead and use the visual editor immediately. This is obviously useless for the purposes of Wikipedia, which is why we need the parser that Gabriel is mentioning, and the visual editor itself isn't really mature enough quite yet for this kind of use.
- Trevor
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Gabriel Wicke wicke@wikidev.net wrote:
The first question I have is: how much trouble will we encounter if we're not using wiki markup? We store everything as HTML5 everywhere, and we're converting our old sites to HTML5 on import.
Our current parser pipeline also converts the mixed wiki/html markup into an annotated HTML5 DOM, and then (actually since today) converts that to WikiDom. So good support for back-and-forth between WikiDom and HTML DOM is highly likely.
Gabriel
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Update: We hacked around and got the edit surface working inside LocalWiki:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6512865959_6140e1deac_b.jpg
Works with saving & re-editing, too.
--philip
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Philip Neustrom philip@localwiki.orgwrote:
Update: We hacked around and got the edit surface working inside LocalWiki:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6512865959_6140e1deac_b.jpg
Awesome!
Works with saving & re-editing, too.
Yeah, if you're storing HTML you can probably deploy this as a "real editor" before we can. ;)
-- brion
On 12/14/11 4:03 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Philip Neustromphilip@localwiki.orgwrote:
Update: We hacked around and got the edit surface working inside LocalWiki:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6512865959_6140e1deac_b.jpg
Awesome!
It's not just awesome! It's epic!
I don't see a commit to your github, can you share it? I'm using git locally myself, maybe I can pull from you somehow.
I wanted to start promoting this to other wiki-engines, glad to see it's happening already. MediaWiki is a superset of pretty much every wiki syntax you would want, so we'll be churning on that for a while. but we can probably deploy on formats like Markdown or plain old HTML much faster.
Over the holidays I will be working a bit on round-tripping to different formats, and to MediaWiki itself of course, now that Gabriel has cleared the way there.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar neilk@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 12/14/11 4:03 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Philip Neustromphilip@localwiki.orgwrote:
Update: We hacked around and got the edit surface working inside LocalWiki:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6512865959_6140e1deac_b.jpg
Awesome!
It's not just awesome! It's epic!
I don't see a commit to your github, can you share it? I'm using git locally myself, maybe I can pull from you somehow.
Mike threw it up here:
https://github.com/localwiki/localwiki/tree/editsurface/sapling/editsurface (full branch browsable here: https://github.com/localwiki/localwiki/tree/editsurface/)
--Philip
I wanted to start promoting this to other wiki-engines, glad to see it's happening already. MediaWiki is a superset of pretty much every wiki syntax you would want, so we'll be churning on that for a while. but we can probably deploy on formats like Markdown or plain old HTML much faster.
Over the holidays I will be working a bit on round-tripping to different formats, and to MediaWiki itself of course, now that Gabriel has cleared the way there.
-- Neil Kandalgaonkar (| neilk@wikimedia.org
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Philip Neustrom philip@localwiki.org wrote:
We should hang out and have a little show-and-tell! Maybe early Jan?
Let's do that :). Will follow-up offlist.
Hello,
Congratulations on LocalWiki, that is really great! In HTML5 editor category you should check out Aloha Editor as well: http://aloha-editor.org
My favorite demos: http://aloha-editor.org/demos/css3/ (*everyone* should check out this one! Of course its useless but fun :) http://aloha-editor.org/demos/wordpress-demo/ http://aloha-editor.org/demos/960-fluid-demo/
I've just started to study their plugin system, which looks promising. My painful experience with TinyMCE and other RTE-s and also with the old wiki editor is that if you cannot make your custom stuff fit in a standard plugin (which is too often the case), it will be very hard to upgrade later. So IMO if you go for future-proofness you should check the customization options.
Best, Mihály Héder
On 14 December 2011 21:39, Philip Neustrom philip@localwiki.org wrote:
Folks-
Big congrats on the first general-public visual editor demo. We've been hoping for a while that someone would work on a non-designMode/contentEditable editor. This looks -great-!
We're interested in using the editor in LocalWiki. We're currently using a highly-modified CKeditor, which will probably keep working well for a year or so, but beyond that it's not very future-proof. We've done a lot of work to make our editing experience consistent and fun, but it's a real pain to hack on new editor-specific functionality because CKeditor is so fickle. We'd love nothing more than to throw it in a trashbin and set it afire. But such is technology.
The first question I have is: how much trouble will we encounter if we're not using wiki markup? We store everything as HTML5 everywhere, and we're converting our old sites to HTML5 on import.
We should hang out and have a little show-and-tell! Maybe early Jan?
Best, Philip LocalWiki http://localwiki.org
(Apologies if you're seeing this email twice. My first send was seemingly silently rejected)
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Mihály Héder (2011-12-17 14:46):
Hello,
Congratulations on LocalWiki, that is really great! In HTML5 editor category you should check out Aloha Editor as well: http://aloha-editor.org
My favorite demos: http://aloha-editor.org/demos/css3/ (*everyone* should check out this one! Of course its useless but fun :) http://aloha-editor.org/demos/wordpress-demo/ http://aloha-editor.org/demos/960-fluid-demo/
I've just started to study their plugin system, which looks promising. My painful experience with TinyMCE and other RTE-s and also with the old wiki editor is that if you cannot make your custom stuff fit in a standard plugin (which is too often the case), it will be very hard to upgrade later. So IMO if you go for future-proofness you should check the customization options.
Not a good editor for wide colaboration: if(...||jQuery.browser.opera){alert("Sorry, your browser is not supported at the moment.");return}
Regards, Nux.
On 18 December 2011 02:45, Maciej Jaros egil@wp.pl wrote:
Mihály Héder (2011-12-17 14:46):
Hello,
Congratulations on LocalWiki, that is really great! In HTML5 editor category you should check out Aloha Editor as well: http://aloha-editor.org
My favorite demos: http://aloha-editor.org/demos/css3/ (*everyone* should check out this
one!
Of course its useless but fun :) http://aloha-editor.org/demos/wordpress-demo/ http://aloha-editor.org/demos/960-fluid-demo/
I've just started to study their plugin system, which looks promising. My painful experience with TinyMCE and other RTE-s and also with the old
wiki
editor is that if you cannot make your custom stuff fit in a standard plugin (which is too often the case), it will be very hard to upgrade later. So IMO if you go for future-proofness you should check the customization options.
Not a good editor for wide colaboration:
if(...||jQuery.browser.opera){alert("Sorry, your browser is not
supported at the moment.");return}
True, they had problems with contentEditable support in Opera 10 with the current stable aloha 0.9.3. But with Opera 11 and the latest aloha RC it seems to work now, thanks to their collaboration with Opera. At least the editor field at the main page http://aloha-editor.org/ works without issues in my Opera 11 but the other demos don't. Some info: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836981
Cheers, Mihály
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