I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion-
I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
I'm not sure what the point of this is. Now I get lots of annoying messages on pages that have at some point been created as an experiment and later been re-created as a real page. In virtually all of these cases I don't want to restore the deleted revisions. The very few cases in which there might be something useful accidentally deleted do not IMHO justify enabling this for all 100+ sysops and not making it configurable. Can we disable this by default and make it a preference? Otherwise people will probably start restoring junk revisions just to get rid of the messages.
This is particularly problematic since the deleted revisions info looks just like the "new messages" info and is in the same place. I know the intent is to standardize style, but it reduces usability, as it makes the much less common but more important talk page notification easier to miss.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Brion-
I've added a more convenient link into the undeletion system, which will show in bold at the top of the page when viewing a page which has been deleted (if you're a sysop).
I'm not sure what the point of this is.
To make it actually possible for human beings to get into the undeletion system?
Naw, screw humans. They just make trouble for the machine collective! :)
Now I get lots of annoying messages on pages that have at some point been created as an experiment and later been re-created as a real page.
So far one compliment vs one complaint. About usual. :)
If we had a decent deletion log table, it would be a trivial matter to only display the bold notice for recently deleted pages, and for the rest just have a boring note down at the bottom and/or an "Undelete" link in the sidebar.
We don't yet have a deletion/sysop event log table. If you'd like to whip one up before I get to it, it would happen sooner rather than later.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion-
To make it actually possible for human beings to get into the undeletion system?
Many months ago I made myself a little custom keyword for undeleting pages: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html When I want to do so, I just type "und page_name". While this is a hack and you are correct that a proper action log table and a redesigned undeletion interface would be preferable, I do not see the information that deleted revisions exist as so useful as to have it on all pages, primarily because there's simply a fairly large number of pages which have been experimentally created at one point, deleted, and recreated.
How about displaying it in the top bar only for non-existing pages, and otherwise displaying it only on "Page history"? This should also reduce the number of checks in the ARCHIVE table needed.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Many months ago I made myself a little custom keyword for undeleting pages: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html When I want to do so, I just type "und page_name". While this is a hack and you are correct that a proper action log table and a redesigned undeletion interface would be preferable, I do not see the information that deleted revisions exist as so useful as to have it on all pages, primarily because there's simply a fairly large number of pages which have been experimentally created at one point, deleted, and recreated.
I've decided that I like having this, including for the recreated pages. It can still be a configurable option; no reason for us not to both be happy.
How about displaying it in the top bar only for non-existing pages, and otherwise displaying it only on "Page history"? This should also reduce the number of checks in the ARCHIVE table needed.
(This would also be just fine with me.)
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