It strikes me as violating the principle of least astonishment that "Delete this page" and the little "(del)" link next to the current image revision do different things on an image description page, namely:
* "Delete this page" deletes only the image description page, leaving the image file and its revisions intact, and the image remains in the images list
* "(del)" deletes the image file, any old revisions, the entry from the images list, *and* the description page.
User expectation seems to be that "delete this page" should perform the second function.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion VIBBER wrote: [cut]
- "(del)" deletes the image file, any old revisions, the entry from the
images list, *and* the description page.
[cut]
That is not so, at least not on Wikipedia NL. If you detetes a image/file by use of the (del)-link that file is gone but the description page and the talk page still exist (if the where actieve of cource)
If you wants to delete clean a image/file you have to do this;
1)go to the description page 2)If actieve, open the talk page in a new window and delete it 2)On the discription page; clik on (del) while opening it in a new window. 3)delete the image/file 4)go back to the window whit the discription page and delete it. (if you hit reload you see that the file is gone but the discription is still there)
Now the are all gone whitout orphans.
Giskart
Giskart wrote:
Brion VIBBER wrote: [cut]
- "(del)" deletes the image file, any old revisions, the entry from the
images list, *and* the description page.
[cut]
That is not so, at least not on Wikipedia NL. If you detetes a image/file by use of the (del)-link that file is gone but the description page and the talk page still exist (if the where actieve of cource)
Talk pages are always retained separately. I think that's the correct behavior, as the talk may describe why a deletion was made (and in some cases should be still available if the page/image is recreated).
However, it's certainly a bug that the description page isn't deleted; it was hard-wired to the English word "Image" (gaarg!), so didn't work on other languages. That I've fixed.
I'll hold off on making page delete == image delete until someone gives me feedback or I get bored.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Hi all,
Back on the 29th of July Koyaanis Qatsi requested modifications to the Orphans page as per:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=588072&grou... 73&atid=411195
ie, to show orphans not linked from the article namespace only, therefore ignoring links from talk: user: wikipedia: etc.
This would be a very handy feature for ferreting out those articles that sit hidden away.
Cheers, Aldie
Aldie wrote:
Back on the 29th of July Koyaanis Qatsi requested modifications to the Orphans page as per:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=588072&grou... 73&atid=411195
ie, to show orphans not linked from the article namespace only, therefore ignoring links from talk: user: wikipedia: etc.
Ah, but wikipedia: contains the disambiguation links! Hundreds, if not thousands, of links would show up as orphans, but they'd be merely disambiguation pages, which *should* be orphans.
This would be a very handy feature for ferreting out those articles that sit hidden away.
There are more than 300 of them already on the orphans list (last time I checked, after I brought the number down from ~500). Why don't you start with these? Once they're down to, say, 20, we can talk about this again ;-)
Magnus
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Brion Vibber wrote:
It strikes me as violating the principle of least astonishment that "Delete this page" and the little "(del)" link next to the current image revision do different things on an image description page, namely:
- "Delete this page" deletes only the image description page, leaving
the image file and its revisions intact, and the image remains in the images list
- "(del)" deletes the image file, any old revisions, the entry from the
images list, *and* the description page.
User expectation seems to be that "delete this page" should perform the second function.
I agree with Brion.
But I think that the change should appear on the main list too, since presumably some people have acclimated themselves to the old way. Hence I am crossposting this reply.
-- Toby
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