Could someone take over this question? I don't know what to tell these guys.
Thanks.
Ed Poor
-----Original Message----- From: Don Rameez [mailto:rameezdon@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 3:00 PM To: Poor, Edmund W Subject: RE: "Auto Extraction from WWW"
Dear Edmund;
thanx for ur reply i have installed MySql on Windows & i did try to open the SQL dump but somehow was unable to do so could u plz guide me regarding the same (i m a novice as far as Mysql is concerned) hope to hear from u soon
regards
Don Rameez
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From: Poor, Edmund W mailto:Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 01:06:19 AM To: Don Rameez mailto:rameezdon@hotmail.com Subject: RE: "Auto Extraction from WWW"
I don't know how to convert SQL tables into plain TEXT. Why not use a SELECT statement? Like:
SELECT cur_text FROM cur
Ed Poor
-----Original Message----- From: Don Rameez [mailto:rameezdon@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:33 PM To: Poor, Edmund W Subject: RE: "Auto Extraction from WWW" Dear Edmund,
thanx for acknowledging soon & answering to my queries i appreciate ur concern for the Knowledge base
i would like to ask u one more query ....
Q) We now have the SQL dump, apart from MySQL is there any possibility that we can access the data in some other format ( say plain TEXT ....)
regards
Don Rameez
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From: Poor, Edmund W mailto:Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:27:37 AM To: Don Rameez mailto:rameezdon@hotmail.com Subject: RE: "Auto Extraction from WWW"
Your questions are best put to our senior developers, but I'll give you some preliminary answers.
1. All our articles are stored as plain English text. There is a bit of markup used for links. 2. We are not encouraging direct server-to-server links. Rather, we invite users to edit articles via the web interface. 3. You can get a SQL dump, if you want the entire database. It's much less than one GB in size, and could possibly fit on one CD (we are planning to publish a CD eventually).
The difference between our project and yours is that we are a non-encoded encyclopedia. We just have a collection of articles.
You are trying to "encode" knowledge, which is Very Difficult. Many attempts have been made in the past; I can't think of a single success, but I can think of half a dozen spectacular failures. It's harder than it looks!
I applaud the attempt, but this task involves artificial intelligence (AI), and AI has not progressed beyond the so-called "expert system" or "neural net". These are the toys of AI and have not produced reliable, comprehensive results.
What do you really hope to accomplish, in the next 5 to 10 years?
Sincerely,
Ed Poor Developer & Sysop Wikipedia
-----Original Message----- From: Don Rameez [mailto:rameezdon@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:35 PM To: JeLuF@gmx.de; ts4294967296@hotmail.com; maveric149@yahoo.com; Poor, Edmund W; wikitech-l@Wikipedia.org; JeLuF@gmx.de; ts4294967296@hotmail.com; maveric149@yahoo.com; Poor, Edmund W; wikitech-l@Wikipedia.org Cc: nagarjun@hbcse.tifr.res.in Subject: "Auto Extraction from WWW" Dear Sir, We are a group of 3 students currently pursuing our B.E - IT (Bachelor of Engg. Information Technology)from the Mumbai University, INDIA. As of now we are working on a project titled " AUTO EXTRACTION OF CONTENTS FROM THE WORLD WIDE WEB" as a part of our BE project, in the renowned institute of HBCSE-TIFR ( Homi Bhabha Center for Science Education - Tata Institute of Fundamental Research) under the guidance of Scientist Dr.Nagarjuna.G.
Our project is based on : OS - GNU/LINUX Language - Python Server - Zope Application - GNOWSYS
GNOWSYS, Gnowledge Networking and Organizing System, is a web application for developing and maintaining semantic web content developed in Python and works as an installed product in Zope. Our project involves automatically extracting data from the (WWW) World Wide Web) & use GNOWSYS for handling this vast amount of data. This will not only help us store data in the Gnowledge base in form of meaningful relationships but also see its handling of huge amount of data. The URL for our site is http://www.gnowledge.org
With this regards we could think no one but Wikipedia, which in itself is a phenomenon.
We would be glad if u could answer to few of our queries :
1] What is the format in which the data is stored in Wikipedia ??? 2] Apart from http or ftp are there any other specific protocols that are in use, which will be required to communicate to the Wikipedia Server ??? 3] How can we utilize the SQL dump ???
We hope you will answer our queries at the earliest With warm regards
Thanking You
[ Rameez Don , Jaymin Darbari, Ulhas Dhuri ]
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On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 12:18 US/Pacific, Poor, Edmund W wrote:
Could someone take over this question? I don't know what to tell these guys.
Tim answered a long time ago, but nobody's heard anything back from them but the initial form letter cut-n-pasted, so far as I know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rameez
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 12:18 US/Pacific, Poor, Edmund W wrote:
Could someone take over this question? I don't know what to tell these guys.
Tim answered a long time ago, but nobody's heard anything back from them but the initial form letter cut-n-pasted, so far as I know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rameez
They emailed me privately twice, the second one just a few hours ago:
:Dear Tim : :thanx for ur reply :i have installed MySql on Windows & i did try to open the SQL dump but :somehow was unable to do so :could u plz guide regarding the same (i m a novice as far as Mysql is :concerned) :hope to hear from u soon : :regards : :Don Rameez
I'm too nice. I should just tell them to do their own homework.
-- Tim Starling.
--- Tim Starling ts4294967296@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm too nice. I should just tell them to do their own homework.
Yes --maybe. If they are intending to make an Arabic fork.
~S~
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On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 19:03 US/Pacific, Stevertigo wrote:
--- Tim Starling ts4294967296@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm too nice. I should just tell them to do their own homework.
Yes --maybe. If they are intending to make an Arabic fork.
Speaking of which, has there been any progress on an Arabic interface translation for the wiki? The mixture of scripts always makes things trickier, and I suspect that the RTL issues would be simpler if this were finished so the screens would display as they're supposed to.
I'd love it to be up and running, but I don't speak, read, write, or type the language, so beyond noting that parentheses are often backwards I can't tell what looks right and what doesn't.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
--- Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
Speaking of which, has there been any progress on an Arabic interface translation for the wiki? The mixture of scripts always makes things trickier, and I suspect that the RTL issues would be simpler if this were finished so the screens would display as they're supposed to.
I'd love it to be up and running, but I don't speak, read, write, or type the language, so beyond noting that parentheses are often backwards I can't tell what looks right and what doesn't.
Its a pain -- and Mozilla's poor Bidi complicates matters -- we have to assume that people will simply use IE. See link for some responses to your statments before: http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_problems_with_ar.wikipedia
*If* there are such people who *could* be contributing to ar.wikipedia.org, that are instead putting energies towards a fork, I would like to make them aware of certain things --most importantly; the "island unto itself" problem --isolated and non-interlinked "Wikipedias" tend to flounder all things considered.
They can take a look at how the Spanish and Russian forks have fared on their own.
~S~
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