Hi,
In 1.19 a dropdown was added to Special:MovePage for selecting a namespace. This new feature doesn't disturb me personally, but a few users in the Hebrew Wikipedia complained about it, saying that it causes users confusion. I don't have numbers, but the regular followers of the move logs said that in the days since the upgrade there was a higher number of mistakes because of this new feature.
A couple of examples, with English namespace names, because the essence is the same): 1. People moved an article that they wrote from User:New-article-writer/New_article_name to Wikipedia:New_article_name, thinking that this is the way to put the article in Wikipedia. 2. People moved a sandbox page from User:Sandbox-lover/sandbox5771 to User:User:Sandbox-lover/sandbox5772.
The root cause of the first example mistake is the *very* confusing name of the "Wikipedia:" namespaces. It should have been called "Community:", "Forum:", "Documentation:" or anything else, but having the same name as the project is pretty bad. The new dropdown just floats it.
Any other thoughts?
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2012/3/4 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
Hi,
In 1.19 a dropdown was added to Special:MovePage for selecting a namespace. This new feature doesn't disturb me personally,
Me disturbs, because I cannot past the target at once, so in some cases this makes things more difficult.
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:43, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2012/3/4 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
Hi,
In 1.19 a dropdown was added to Special:MovePage for selecting a namespace. This new feature doesn't disturb me personally,
Me disturbs, because I cannot past the target at once, so in some cases this makes things more difficult.
That would be solved by resolving this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34848 ( Improve mediawiki.special.movePage.js to remove the namespace name when the user paste the full target name in the field )
Helder
2012/3/4 Helder helder.wiki@gmail.com
That would be solved by resolving this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34848
Thanks, I voted for it, if this makes any sense.
On 04/03/12 14:51, Helder wrote:
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:43, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
2012/3/4 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
Hi,
In 1.19 a dropdown was added to Special:MovePage for selecting a namespace. This new feature doesn't disturb me personally,
Me disturbs, because I cannot past the target at once, so in some cases this makes things more difficult.
That would be solved by resolving this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34848 ( Improve mediawiki.special.movePage.js to remove the namespace name when the user paste the full target name in the field )
Helder
But why is the namespace needed at all?
On 05/03/12 00:00, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Hi,
In 1.19 a dropdown was added to Special:MovePage for selecting a namespace. This new feature doesn't disturb me personally, but a few users in the Hebrew Wikipedia complained about it, saying that it causes users confusion. I don't have numbers, but the regular followers of the move logs said that in the days since the upgrade there was a higher number of mistakes because of this new feature.
I think the feature should be reverted.
In the <title>, <h1>, links, URLs and lots of other places in MediaWiki, page titles are presented as a single string. This is about the closest thing we have to a title concept in MediaWiki. We have namespace filters in a few places, but the full title is always shown in the results list.
This move page feature seems confused about how MediaWiki users think about titles. It would make sense in a wiki engine like Confluence, where page titles are normally abbreviated, but it doesn't make sense in MediaWiki.
-- Tim Starling
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