Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
Hello,
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
It's not users but sysops and i think if they have that privelage they have a pretty good clue of what to delete and what not to delete.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:10:27 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz thoane@altern.org wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
Hello,
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
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Furthermore i'm pretty much against this "could be used in a bad way" mentality which often ends up in some "feature" which in effect makes things take a lot longer time for the people who actually volunteer to carry out these actions - like deletion.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:24:18 +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
It's not users but sysops and i think if they have that privelage they have a pretty good clue of what to delete and what not to delete.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:10:27 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz thoane@altern.org wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
Hello,
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
-- Ashar Voultoiz
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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
It's not users but sysops and i think if they have that privelage they have a pretty good clue of what to delete and what not to delete.
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:10:27 +0200, Ashar Voultoiz thoane@altern.org wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
Hello,
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote:
A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's.
I would normally agree with you if we were talking only about deleting individual pages. However, when deleting quite a number of pages, that checkbox can become quite an annoyance.
Maybe someone (I?) should write a feature whereby sysops can specify a list of article titles and mass-delete them with one single "safety valve". Then there should be one button for sysops to undo such a mass-deletion quickly in order to have a safeguard against sysops acting in bad faith.
Timwi
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.
I think here is a misunderstanding happening: the safety valve would still be kept, it's just the question to remove one of two additional keystrokes.
To delete a page I currently have to 1) click the link "delete" 2) fill in a reason for the deletion 3) mark the checkbox "Yes, I really want to delete this page" 4) press the button "delete"
How I understood Evar, he wants to have step 3) removed. My opinion: this can safely done (you still have to click two times and give a reason)
Could we do this please?
greetings, elian
Elisabeth Bauer wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.
I think here is a misunderstanding happening: the safety valve would still be kept, it's just the question to remove one of two additional keystrokes.
To delete a page I currently have to
- click the link "delete"
- fill in a reason for the deletion
- mark the checkbox "Yes, I really want to delete this page"
- press the button "delete"
How I understood Evar, he wants to have step 3) removed. My opinion: this can safely done (you still have to click two times and give a reason)
Could we do this please?
Deletion still works perfectly well if you leave the reasons blank. Making the reasons obligatory would be a lot more burdensome than checking a box.
Ec
You could empirically measure whether there's any point to having the check-box with relative ease: check from usage logs what percentage of people who passed step 2 did not end up deleting the page.
Chances are, it's low, and thus step 3 should go.
On 20 Aug 2004, at 03:23, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Elisabeth Bauer wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
At least it forces users to review their choices and to enter a comment. I am personally against removing this checkbox.
A little safety valve is always a good idea. One additonal keystroke should not seriously make demands on a person's. The argument in support of it has nothing to do with trusting sysops; one operating is bad faith is no prevented from action by this one keystroke. Sysops can make mistakes as much as anyone else.
I think here is a misunderstanding happening: the safety valve would still be kept, it's just the question to remove one of two additional keystrokes.
To delete a page I currently have to
- click the link "delete"
- fill in a reason for the deletion
- mark the checkbox "Yes, I really want to delete this page"
- press the button "delete"
How I understood Evar, he wants to have step 3) removed. My opinion: this can safely done (you still have to click two times and give a reason)
Could we do this please?
Deletion still works perfectly well if you leave the reasons blank. Making the reasons obligatory would be a lot more burdensome than checking a box.
Ec
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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
I agree. Deleted pages can always be undeleted, so there's no real security problem in removing the checkbox.
So will the change be made in a future version?
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:02:28 +0100, Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Could the [X] yes i want to delete this button one has to click to delete pages/images be abolished? I dont think anyone would by accedent click 2 links in a row (delete -> delete) so i dont think the checkbox is needed and just slows me and others down when doing mass deletion.
I agree. Deleted pages can always be undeleted, so there's no real security problem in removing the checkbox.
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