Hi
Most of you already know that, but I will repeat it once more, so that everyone who is using bots project is aware of that.
Since tool labs (project tools on wikimedia labs) is now serving the purpose which bots project on labs initially served for, we decided to convert bots project to testing environment of tools project (and shelter both wikimedia labs projects under the one big "virtual" project called "tool labs")
I know it is very confusing naming but I hope once "aliasing" of project names is possible on wikitech we just rename bots project to tools-testing or something like that.
== I am already confused of the naming, explain now, or I will eat you ==
Wikimedia labs = a platform which host virtual instances, each instance being a member of some labs project (that is basically entry in LDAP which all these instances and members of project are member of)
Tool labs = is a project that is supposed to offer hosting for web based tools and bots. Tool labs consist of 2 wikimedia labs projects - bots (testing) and tools (production)
== What does it mean for me in practice ==
The bots project will look very identical to tools project, but if we need to test anything we will do that on bots just to make sure it won't break tools project. That is a main difference.
Beside that bots project is going to be smaller (we don't need to allocate so many resources just for a testing platform). Right now we have 3 grid execution hosts, in future we will probably have 1 (or 2).
Therefore if you are hosting your bot on bots project now, you /should/ move it to "stable" version of tool labs which is the tools project. You don't need to do that if you don't want - but eventual breakages may happen, and stability is not really guaranteed on bots project (not that it was on tools :-))
TL/DR: If you are hosting your bot on bots project right now, move it to tools project if you can, or bad things may (but not necessarily will) happen to it, if we manage to break bots during some test.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
Most of you already know that, but I will repeat it once more, so that everyone who is using bots project is aware of that.
Since tool labs (project tools on wikimedia labs) is now serving the purpose which bots project on labs initially served for, we decided to convert bots project to testing environment of tools project (and shelter both wikimedia labs projects under the one big "virtual" project called "tool labs")
I know it is very confusing naming but I hope once "aliasing" of project names is possible on wikitech we just rename bots project to tools-testing or something like that.
Renaming of projects will take a lot of effort for little gain. If everything in bots is puppetized, we should just create a new project, launch everything there, move the data and kill the other project.
- Ryan
All right, I have nothing against that.
I will poke Coren as well, because he should be at least informed about his kind of things, and if he has no objectives we can change this plan and create new separate environment soonish
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Ryan Lane rlane32@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
Most of you already know that, but I will repeat it once more, so that everyone who is using bots project is aware of that.
Since tool labs (project tools on wikimedia labs) is now serving the purpose which bots project on labs initially served for, we decided to convert bots project to testing environment of tools project (and shelter both wikimedia labs projects under the one big "virtual" project called "tool labs")
I know it is very confusing naming but I hope once "aliasing" of project names is possible on wikitech we just rename bots project to tools-testing or something like that.
Renaming of projects will take a lot of effort for little gain. If everything in bots is puppetized, we should just create a new project, launch everything there, move the data and kill the other project.
- Ryan
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