You probably meant just "README". This is an interesting comparison. So, if an extension lacks a README file, and that extension's maintainer refuses to put one in, should the extension be deleted from the Wikimedia repository?
Let's back away from the ledge of deleting stuff. I'm not arguing for that here.
What I'm trying to get across (text lacks subtly) is that the community is asking for you to include this file. You have refused on grounds of a lack of explicit clarity. I'm trying to say not everything is written down, nor does it need to be. The letter and the spirt. :) Your peers are asking for your consideration of something that impacts folks outside of your person. We have given this a great deal of our attention and time. Please consider the advice of folks who consider you a peer as well. Add the file not because it's explicitly demanded of you, but because the community is asking you to do so. It doesn't harm your code. It provides clarity around expectations on how we work together.
There are voices not present in this very public conversation. I have been approached by a few that do not feel comfortable participating here. I don't want to see anyone's contributions deleted. I also don't want to see an exception made in this particular case because we as a community haven't written it down somewhere.
I'll ask you plainly and directly. Yaron, will you please add the file to your repos?
Yours, Chris Koerner clkoerner.com
On Friday, June 8, 2018, Chris Koerner
[snip] There are voices not present in this very public conversation. I have been approached by a few that do not feel comfortable participating here. I don't want to see anyone's contributions deleted. I also don't want to see an exception made in this particular case because we as a community haven't written it down somewhere.
[snip]
Fwiw, I also had a discussion last night with someone who hasnt participated in this discussion as of yet but stated that incidents like this make them want to host their extensions elsewhere except they are not willing to pass up translatewiki integration-so the people not commenting objection goes both ways
I dont think we should consider hearsay (particularly the type where we dont even specify the source) in discussions of these types. For one, regardless of what view you hold you can probably always find someone on the internet who agrees with you. Second if the people dont participate we cannot evaluate their arguments on their merits or count them. If its not for consensus seeking (evaluate args on merit) or for counting (voting) what's the point?
-- brian
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, 17:08 Chris Koerner, nobelx@gmail.com wrote:
You probably meant just "README". This is an interesting comparison. So,
if
an extension lacks a README file, and that extension's maintainer refuses to put one in, should the extension be deleted from the Wikimedia repository?
Let's back away from the ledge of deleting stuff. I'm not arguing for that here.
What I'm trying to get across (text lacks subtly) is that the community is asking for you to include this file.
Where? So far it's been a few individuals.
Where? So far it's been a few individuals.
Here, here. Can you please cite the clear community decision you are referencing? Just because a few users took unilaterally actions and most people didn't object, that isn't
consensus.
Yep. If anything, the consensus here demonstrates the opposite.
Fae
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, 17:42 John, phoenixoverride@gmail.com wrote:
Where? So far it's been a few individuals.
Here, here. Can you please cite the clear community decision you are referencing? Just because a few users took unilaterally actions and most people didn't object, that isn't
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I noticed CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md apparently wasn't forcibly added to repositories hosted on GitHub that are within the Wikimedia organization (some Diffusion repos too, it seems). GitHub is not WMF infrastructure, sure, but github.com/wikimedia/wmf-built-toolforge-tool certainly qualifies as a Wikimedia technical space, no? I'm not taking sides on this debate -- I just wanted to point out the inconsistency.
~Leon
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:47 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Yep. If anything, the consensus here demonstrates the opposite.
Fae
On Fri, 8 Jun 2018, 17:42 John, phoenixoverride@gmail.com wrote:
Where? So far it's been a few individuals.
Here, here. Can you please cite the clear community decision you are referencing? Just because a few users took unilaterally actions and most people didn't object, that isn't
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