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brion@svn.wikimedia.org schrieb:
Revision: 21415 Author: brion Date: 2007-04-20 07:44:55 -0700 (Fri, 20 Apr 2007)
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Reverting r21000 for the moment (predefined block messages). The defaults aren't very good, and I'm not sure I like the implementation. May return after some review and tweaking.
Can you give me please a few hints for the implementation/tweaking? What do you don't like?
-// These are examples only. They can be translated but should be adjusted via [[MediaWiki:ipbreason-list]] by the local community -// *# defines a reason group in the drow down menu -// * defines a reason -'ipbreason-list' => ' -*#Block reasons for IP adresses -*vandalism -*linkspam -*#Block reasons for usernames -*insults -*sockpuppet',
May I ask some users with a better english than me for good predefined reasons please? Which are especially for ips not upsetting if they are reading the block message on their screen. Thanks a lot.
Raymond.
On 20/04/07, Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com wrote:
May I ask some users with a better english than me for good predefined reasons please? Which are especially for ips not upsetting if they are reading the block message on their screen. Thanks a lot.
Popped some ideas at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch/Predefined_block_reasons; might add some more later, as I think them up.
Rob Church
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Raimond Spekking wrote:
-// These are examples only. They can be translated but should be adjusted via [[MediaWiki:ipbreason-list]] by the local community -// *# defines a reason group in the drow down menu -// * defines a reason -'ipbreason-list' => ' -*#Block reasons for IP adresses -*vandalism -*linkspam -*#Block reasons for usernames -*insults -*sockpuppet',
Also a quick formatting note -- the above will display kind of weird in the wiki, with the section headings as sublists under the bullet points...
It's probably better to use a layout that looks "natively" correct when editing the backing page.
It should also be easy to get to the list from the block page, probably, to make it easier to maintain.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
On 4/20/07, Brion Vibber brion@wikimedia.org wrote:
Also a quick formatting note -- the above will display kind of weird in the wiki, with the section headings as sublists under the bullet points...
It's probably better to use a layout that looks "natively" correct when editing the backing page.
I would suggest a format like
*Block reasons for IP addresses **vandalism|[[Wikipedia:Vandalism|Vandalizing]] pages **linkspam|[[Wikipedia:Spam|Spam]]ming external links *Block reasons for usernames ...
akin to MediaWiki:Sidebar. The first "parameter" should be the option visible to the sysop, the second should be the text to insert if that option is selected; definitely people will want to put links, and explanations as detailed as space allows, in the default reasons.
That's if you think groupings would be useful, anyway. They should certainly be optional, so something like
*vandalism|[[Wikipedia:Vandalism|Vandalizing]] pages *linkspam|[[Wikipedia:Spam|Spam]]ming external links
should display as expected. I.e., interpret second-level list items as items if any exist, and first-level as groups; or interpret first-level items as items if no second-level items exist. Alternatively, treat any first-level item followed by one or more second-level items as a group, and any first-level item not followed by any second-level items (at the end, or followed by a first-level item) as an item. Or just ditch the idea of groupings, maybe, unless there's demand for it. I don't see much use for it, really?
Rob's suggestions are good for defaults. Particular wikis will, of course, want to customize them ad nauseam, but that list is a sensible one of things that pretty much all wikis will disapprove of.
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