I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Perl (EasyTimeline)
C++ (Parsoid)
Prolog, Puppet
Translation (translatewiki.net)
And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap
Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
C# - huggle, wm-bot
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Perl (EasyTimeline)
C++ (Parsoid)
Prolog, Puppet
Translation (translatewiki.net)
And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap
Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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You should have call it whatcanidoforwikimedia because this is too wikipedia specific - that's an encyclopedia, people who want to contribute to encyclopedia usually aren't programmers, except for weirdos like me
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
C# - huggle, wm-bot
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Perl (EasyTimeline)
C++ (Parsoid)
Prolog, Puppet
Translation (translatewiki.net)
And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap
Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
You should have call it whatcanidoforwikimedia because this is too wikipedia specific - that's an encyclopedia, people who want to contribute to encyclopedia usually aren't programmers, except for weirdos like me
I just bought whatcanidoforwikimedia.org and whatcanidoformediawiki.org too.
Working on the Wiki page now :)
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
fork it. that will be faster and prevent doing the same work
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
You should have call it whatcanidoforwikimedia because this is too wikipedia specific - that's an encyclopedia, people who want to contribute to encyclopedia usually aren't programmers, except for weirdos like me
I just bought whatcanidoforwikimedia.org and whatcanidoformediawiki.org too.
Working on the Wiki page now :)
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
fork it. that will be faster and prevent doing the same work
Agreed. The Wiki page is just for us to consolidate content and figure out what links to where.
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Skeleton page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Fill it in!
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Yuvi, that's great project of you!
What do you think about adding not only languages but also technologies? For example if you know Semantic Web technologies (RDF and SPARQL) you can help Semantic MediaWiki.
Other examples: MapReduce, Natural Language Processing, theory of compilers. ----- Yury Katkov, WikiVote
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
Skeleton page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Fill it in!
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Yuvi, that's great project of you!
Thank you!
What do you think about adding not only languages but also technologies? For example if you know Semantic Web technologies (RDF and SPARQL) you can help Semantic MediaWiki.
Other examples: MapReduce, Natural Language Processing, theory of compilers.
That would split things across two axes, with lots of intersection. Plus it's sort of murky to categorize things based on 'technology type' - where would Mobile apps come in, for example? Easier to keep it simpler for now.
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
On 04/07/2013 08:20 AM, Yury Katkov wrote:
Yuvi, that's great project of you!
What do you think about adding not only languages but also technologies? For example if you know Semantic Web technologies (RDF and SPARQL) you can help Semantic MediaWiki.
And/or Wikidata.
Matt Flaschen
Yuvi Panda wrote:
Skeleton page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Fill it in!
Hi.
Thanks for working on this. You probably want to talk to Quim and others in his team about this. He's been doing related work:
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute
And some of my old notes about this:
* https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=585568#Blueprint
It's unclear whether you want to only focus on technologies or if you want to also focus on (for example) re-using content from Wikimedia wikis. "What can I do for Wikimedia?" --> re-use our content via XML dumps and the MediaWiki API.
MZMcBride
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Thanks for working on this. You probably want to talk to Quim and others in his team about this. He's been doing related work:
Will do :) It's a nice page, I hadn't checked it out before! I should be able to steal some from there
And some of my old notes about this:
It's unclear whether you want to only focus on technologies or if you want to also focus on (for example) re-using content from Wikimedia wikis. "What can I do for Wikimedia?" --> re-use our content via XML dumps and the MediaWiki API.
I think for now we should limit scope and only focus on the 'contribute code to Wikimedia' part, rather than the 'use our data in interesting ways' part. The sit is, after all, what can I do *for* wikimedia/wikipedia/mediawiki, rather than *with*. We can get those domains too, but I think that's a much larger project than what I'd want to sign up for right now :)
I'm thinking of limiting it to *just* developers to begin with, and add localization afterwards. Thoughts?
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute!
(we could even semi-protect it I guess...)
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Thanks for working on this. You probably want to talk to Quim and others in his team about this. He's been doing related work:
Will do :) It's a nice page, I hadn't checked it out before! I should be able to steal some from there
And some of my old notes about this:
It's unclear whether you want to only focus on technologies or if you want to also focus on (for example) re-using content from Wikimedia wikis. "What can I do for Wikimedia?" --> re-use our content via XML dumps and the MediaWiki API.
I think for now we should limit scope and only focus on the 'contribute code to Wikimedia' part, rather than the 'use our data in interesting ways' part. The sit is, after all, what can I do *for* wikimedia/wikipedia/mediawiki, rather than *with*. We can get those domains too, but I think that's a much larger project than what I'd want to sign up for right now :)
I'm thinking of limiting it to *just* developers to begin with, and add localization afterwards. Thoughts?
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@gmail.com wrote:
Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute!
(we could even semi-protect it I guess...)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute is onwiki :)
This is a bit more, random and quirky, I guess? It's just a directory - all links will point back to wiki. Plus the site itself (code + data) will be on GitHub, so people *can* contribute easily.
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
K. Peachey wrote:
Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute!
(we could even semi-protect it I guess...)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Get_involved was my half-assed attempt at that. A wiki page has some advantages, but so does doing this inside (for example) a MediaWiki extension. Particularly in terms of built-in localization support.
For what it's worth, I added a (colorful) "single page" option to the "Get involved" page, as some developers just want all the information in the same browser page at once, no hand-holding or guiding. Perhaps an option to consider for whatever you're building. Good luck. :-)
MZMcBride
I don't like idea that it's on a wiki page. That way some people can contribute (everyone is controversial term when it comes to wiki editing, let's say everyone who isn't blocked, not matching some range blocks, not using a tor or not using an open proxy and many others...)
The reason why I don't like idea of having this on a wiki page is that it will be never so cool as it is using that code this guy created. It let you interactively pick what you want - mediawiki can't create such a page, or it can but it would be overly complicated.
If you want "Everyone" to be able to contribute, install this to wikimedia labs, and make the project open enough.
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
K. Peachey wrote:
Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute!
(we could even semi-protect it I guess...)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Get_involved was my half-assed attempt at that. A wiki page has some advantages, but so does doing this inside (for example) a MediaWiki extension. Particularly in terms of built-in localization support.
For what it's worth, I added a (colorful) "single page" option to the "Get involved" page, as some developers just want all the information in the same browser page at once, no hand-holding or guiding. Perhaps an option to consider for whatever you're building. Good luck. :-)
MZMcBride
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
The reason why I don't like idea of having this on a wiki page is that it will be never so cool as it is using that code this guy created. It let you interactively pick what you want - mediawiki can't create such a page, or it can but it would be overly complicated.
Agreed!
If you want "Everyone" to be able to contribute, install this to wikimedia labs, and make the project open enough.
Labs isn't supposed to be used for production services, no? :) I'm sure my VPS can handle this :)
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
labs are able to handle "production" services :) that means production services which aren't supposed to have guaranteed 24*7 availability.
For example bots / tools project is supposed to host bots that are now hosted on toolserver. So I think you could host it there if you wanted...
But TBH I don't care as long as you keep it updated with the content of wiki page :)
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
The reason why I don't like idea of having this on a wiki page is that it will be never so cool as it is using that code this guy created. It let you interactively pick what you want - mediawiki can't create such a page, or it can but it would be overly complicated.
Agreed!
If you want "Everyone" to be able to contribute, install this to wikimedia labs, and make the project open enough.
Labs isn't supposed to be used for production services, no? :) I'm sure my VPS can handle this :)
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I can help with C,C++, python, java.
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
C# - huggle, wm-bot
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Perl (EasyTimeline)
C++ (Parsoid)
Prolog, Puppet
Translation (translatewiki.net)
And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are
cheap
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Thank you Yuvi for putting efforts in new contributor outreach!
Let me plug in the thoughts and discussions we have got in a similar direction so far. Back in January Ross (CCed) had the same idea and we started discussing until I enourage him to move to wiki pages & here for further details. Also, let's start applying the lessons learned with the 'Wikitech contributors' debate.
On 04/07/2013 03:11 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way.
Why not use the technologies we are already developing? like
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour
We would become their users, we would help testing and improving them. The effort you are putting contributing code on this new project could be put instead in patches to those extensions, better CSS and look & feel for our site, etc. Producing and eating our own dog food.
Why not improving mediawiki.org pages making them friendly to newcomers instead of creating content from scratch that would point to the same mediawiki.org pages that we would need to improve anyway?
For example, no matter how nice your page on Lua is, the users clicking it would still land on
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua ....
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
This recollection is exactly the same work we are calling "One ontology" at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors#One_ontology
Why not creating http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/One_ontology , move this list there and continue defining more categories on that page?
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Yes please, start a wiki page documenting this effort that I hope becomes the same effort that we want to put in mediawiki.org. URL suggested:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/What_can_I_do
Please, don't forget to make the website translatable. Although most tech people speak English, they will be much more pleased to contribute if they are invited in their mother tongue. :)
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you Yuvi for putting efforts in new contributor outreach!
Let me plug in the thoughts and discussions we have got in a similar direction so far. Back in January Ross (CCed) had the same idea and we started discussing until I enourage him to move to wiki pages & here for further details. Also, let's start applying the lessons learned with the 'Wikitech contributors' debate.
On 04/07/2013 03:11 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way.
Why not use the technologies we are already developing? like
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour
We would become their users, we would help testing and improving them. The effort you are putting contributing code on this new project could be put instead in patches to those extensions, better CSS and look & feel for our site, etc. Producing and eating our own dog food.
Why not improving mediawiki.org pages making them friendly to newcomers instead of creating content from scratch that would point to the same mediawiki.org pages that we would need to improve anyway?
For example, no matter how nice your page on Lua is, the users clicking it would still land on
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua ....
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
This recollection is exactly the same work we are calling "One ontology" at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors#One_ontology
Why not creating http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/One_ontology , move this list there and continue defining more categories on that page?
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Yes please, start a wiki page documenting this effort that I hope becomes the same effort that we want to put in mediawiki.org. URL suggested:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/What_can_I_do
-- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Please, don't forget to make the website translatable. Although most tech people speak English, they will be much more pleased to contribute if they are invited in their mother tongue. :)
Oh sure! What do you think will be the best way to go about this? Translatewiki.net?
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Sure. Translatewiki FTW. :) Perhaps you would try to ask the Language Engineering Team for some consulting and assisting (Amire, Nikkerabit or Siebrand, saying off-hand).
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
Please, don't forget to make the website translatable. Although most tech people speak English, they will be much more pleased to contribute if they are invited in their mother tongue. :)
Oh sure! What do you think will be the best way to go about this? Translatewiki.net?
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way.
I think there's a slight misunderstanding. If you see http://whatcanidoformozilla.org, it doesn't have much *original* content by itself - it just links back to an appropriate page on mozwiki. This one will also be the same - it will just link back to appropriate mediawiki.org pages. And if the pages are not good enough, I'll try improve them (or poke people into doing that).
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
On 04/07/2013 09:23 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way.
I think there's a slight misunderstanding.
I don't think so :) but it's fine. No stop energy.
If you see http://whatcanidoformozilla.org, it doesn't have much *original* content by itself - it just links back to an appropriate page on mozwiki. This one will also be the same - it will just link back to appropriate mediawiki.org pages.
Yes, yes. We could argue about the tactics of creating own sites for each activity as opposed to build on top of your current platform but there is actually little point in doing so.
Please continue with your initiative but document / discuss in your preferred destination under Project:New contributors
This will help us being all in sync
And if the pages are not good enough, I'll try improve them (or poke people into doing that).
This is the big part of the work. And related to this: improving mediawiki.org homepage and Developer Hub to reflect all the opportunities for contribution you are describing.
I think such a website attracts new contributors more easily than mediawiki.org can. Later when it points to MW for most stuff the contributor gets used to it :)
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 04/07/2013 09:23 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way.
I think there's a slight misunderstanding.
I don't think so :) but it's fine. No stop energy.
If you see
http://whatcanidoformozilla.**org http://whatcanidoformozilla.org, it doesn't have much *original* content by itself - it just links back to an appropriate page on mozwiki. This one will also be the same - it will just link back to appropriate mediawiki.org pages.
Yes, yes. We could argue about the tactics of creating own sites for each activity as opposed to build on top of your current platform but there is actually little point in doing so.
Please continue with your initiative but document / discuss in your preferred destination under Project:New contributors
This will help us being all in sync
And if the pages are not good enough,
I'll try improve them (or poke people into doing that).
This is the big part of the work. And related to this: improving mediawiki.org homepage and Developer Hub to reflect all the opportunities for contribution you are describing.
-- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgilhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you Yuvi for putting efforts in new contributor outreach!
Let me plug in the thoughts and discussions we have got in a similar direction so far. Back in January Ross (CCed) had the same idea and we started discussing until I enourage him to move to wiki pages & here for further details. Also, let's start applying the lessons learned with the 'Wikitech contributors' debate.
On 04/07/2013 03:11 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way.
I think that this whatcanido whatever .org sites just sound more cool :) or I don't know why mozilla wouldn't use mozilla.org as well
Why not use the technologies we are already developing? like
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour
We would become their users, we would help testing and improving them. The effort you are putting contributing code on this new project could be put instead in patches to those extensions, better CSS and look & feel for our site, etc. Producing and eating our own dog food.
I don't think he needs to put much effort into it - the code exist and is on open source, it's not meant to replace these extensions, it's meant to create yet another way to lure more people :)
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks.
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+1 to what Stephen said!! On 7 Apr 2013 12:17, "Steven Walling" steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or
frameworks.
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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I would love a single landing page that asks "What Can I Do…" and then has some really big, pretty buttons:
[Write Content]
[Write Code]
[Donate Money]
[Donate Services]
And then each goes to separate pages that explain what can be done.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to what Stephen said!! On 7 Apr 2013 12:17, "Steven Walling" steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or
frameworks.
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would love a single landing page that asks "What Can I Do…" and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services]
If there is design and content, I'll be happy to write the code :)
Content, IMO, is the biggest factor here. Volunteers to help with the content?
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On 7 April 2013 20:47, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would love a single landing page that asks "What Can I Do…" and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services]
If there is design and content, I'll be happy to write the code :) Content, IMO, is the biggest factor here. Volunteers to help with the content?
Use the power of wiki. Transclude from Meta in the first instance? (Only lock the pages if it proves necessary. Lots of important pages are actually unlocked, just reasonably well-patrolled.)
- d.
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote:
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Brandon Harris <bharris@wikimedia.orgjavascript:;> wrote:
I would love a single landing page that asks "What Can I Do…"and then has some really big, pretty buttons:
[Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services]If there is design and content, I'll be happy to write the code :)
Content, IMO, is the biggest factor here. Volunteers to help with the content?
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
Ok, I'll take a stab at some copy on a temp page on mediawiki.org, and share accordingly. Brandon has done landing pages before (SOPA anyone?) so maybe he and any of the other designers interested can help with that side.
Whatever we put in it, this is a great idea, and major kudos for taking the initiative Yuvi.
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I'll take a stab at some copy on a temp page on mediawiki.org, and share accordingly. Brandon has done landing pages before (SOPA anyone?) so maybe he and any of the other designers interested can help with that side.
With enough people, maybe it isn't hard :) If we're doing it as a broad 'what can i do for wikipedia' instead of just tech, I don't think the current mozilla implementation will fly. I'll think of ways on how to make it minimal and easily workable and get some code written.
Whatever we put in it, this is a great idea, and major kudos for taking the initiative Yuvi.
Thank you :)
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On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
Brandon has done landing pages before (SOPA anyone?)
I keep forgetting that happened.
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Okay, so I made a first pass at a landing page. I'm glad Steven mentioned the SOPA thing, because there's a lot of brand recognition in that image and there's a "white" version of it so I started with that.
Each link goes to a specific place with more detail. These four broad categories seem to make sense to me. Full copy for the secondary bullets needs 'ritin'.
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One more moment (which is not very common for English): lack of reliable sources. We've already had experience in getting access to different scientific works. We should pursue this goal as well. There may be people willing to write good article, but those people lack sources to start their work from.
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would love a single landing page that asks "What Can I Do…" and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services] And then each goes to separate pages that explain what can be done.On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to what Stephen said!! On 7 Apr 2013 12:17, "Steven Walling" steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote:
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :)
Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up:
- PHP
- JS
- Lua
- Python
- Java
- Obj-C
- 'Design'
I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it.
Thoughts?
Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or
frameworks.
P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
One more moment (which is not very common for English): lack of reliable sources. We've already had experience in getting access to different scientific works. We should pursue this goal as well. There may be people willing to write good article, but those people lack sources to start their work from.
Also ponies :)
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Paul Selitskas p.selitskas@gmail.com wrote:
One more moment (which is not very common for English): lack of reliable sources. We've already had experience in getting access to different scientific works. We should pursue this goal as well. There may be people willing to write good article, but those people lack sources to start their work from.
Also ponies :)
Apologies if that came across as rude or trolly.
I really want to keep content as small as possible - because ideally it will have just links (with blurbs) to places on wiki. So a good part of the actual content is going to be on a wiki. If you can figure out a high quality wiki link for with details on open access to scientific journals, and an appropriate position in the information hierarchy we come up with eventually, it should be no problem :)
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks.
I want to concentrate on code because that's the one I've some experience dealing with. Other things can easily be added. I'll put out the repo url once I've something up and running, and pull requests welcome :)
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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