Hello
Is it possible to make wiki linking (like [[article name]]) an automatic process for articles ?
I mean, like you write text in a wiki page, then you click >>suggest links>> button, then it links all the applicable article names in the page, then you review and save the page (if not, just discard them). making sure not to duplicate the links and using a link exception list so that words aren't linked (like is are she he they them could can etc.)..
--user:alnokta
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On 23/02/2008, Mohamed Magdy wrote:
Hello
Is it possible to make wiki linking (like [[article name]]) an automatic process for articles ?
I mean, like you write text in a wiki page, then you click >>suggest links>> button, then it links all the applicable article names in the page, then you review and save the page (if not, just discard them). making sure not to duplicate the links and using a link exception list so that words aren't linked (like is are she he they them could can etc.)..
--user:alnokta
I think most people create links as they go along, using their judgement as to which links would be helpful and which would not (i.e. which concepts might need further explanation). If you can write an article (decide what information is important and how much explanation to give), you should be able to choose the links as you write. They are the same skill.
The suggestor would not be intelligent and couldn't judge which links are related and which would be appropriate to suggest. I see no advantage over just going through the article and placing double square brackets around particular concepts, words and phrases.
- -- Oldak Quill (oldakquill@gmail.com)
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
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On 23/02/2008, Mohamed Magdy wrote:
Hello
Is it possible to make wiki linking (like [[article name]]) an
automatic
process for articles ?
I mean, like you write text in a wiki page, then you click >>suggest
links>>
button, then it links all the applicable article names in the page,
then you
review and save the page (if not, just discard them). making sure not
to
duplicate the links and using a link exception list so that words
aren't
linked (like is are she he they them could can etc.)..
--user:alnokta
I think most people create links as they go along, using their judgement as to which links would be helpful and which would not (i.e. which concepts might need further explanation). If you can write an article (decide what information is important and how much explanation to give), you should be able to choose the links as you write. They are the same skill.
The suggestor would not be intelligent and couldn't judge which links are related and which would be appropriate to suggest. I see no advantage over just going through the article and placing double square brackets around particular concepts, words and phrases.
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Actually, that is part of what Web 2.0 is about. It is the contribution of intelligent people which makes a wiki.
Huji
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On 23/02/2008, Oldak Quill wrote:
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On 23/02/2008, Mohamed Magdy wrote:
Hello
Is it possible to make wiki linking (like [[article name]]) an
automatic
process for articles ?
I mean, like you write text in a wiki page, then you click >>suggest
links>>
button, then it links all the applicable article names in the page,
then you
review and save the page (if not, just discard them). making sure not
to
duplicate the links and using a link exception list so that words
aren't
linked (like is are she he they them could can etc.)..
--user:alnokta
I think most people create links as they go along, using their judgement as to which links would be helpful and which would not (i.e. which concepts might need further explanation). If you can write an article (decide what information is important and how much explanation to give), you should be able to choose the links as you write. They are the same skill.
The suggestor would not be intelligent and couldn't judge which links are related and which would be appropriate to suggest. I see no advantage over just going through the article and placing double square brackets around particular concepts, words and phrases.
To clarify: in this last paragraph, when I use the word "suggestor" (as in, "suggestor would not be intelligent"), I meant the tool--as the suggestor--would not be intelligent (as it is a non-intelligent MediaWiki extension). I did not mean the poster of this idea (who, on it being pointed out, could be interpreted as "the suggestor").
Oldak Quill wrote:
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On 23/02/2008, Mohamed Magdy wrote:
Hello
Is it possible to make wiki linking (like [[article name]]) an automatic process for articles ?
I mean, like you write text in a wiki page, then you click >>suggest links>> button, then it links all the applicable article names in the page, then you review and save the page (if not, just discard them). making sure not to duplicate the links and using a link exception list so that words aren't linked (like is are she he they them could can etc.)..
--user:alnokta
I think most people create links as they go along, using their judgement as to which links would be helpful and which would not (i.e. which concepts might need further explanation). If you can write an article (decide what information is important and how much explanation to give), you should be able to choose the links as you write. They are the same skill.
The suggestor would not be intelligent and couldn't judge which links are related and which would be appropriate to suggest. I see no advantage over just going through the article and placing double square brackets around particular concepts, words and phrases.
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Though I agree with what was said about web 2.0 and intelligent linking, I think that in many cases the contributors don't know if an article on the phrase exists (and if so, under what title).. perhaps some sort of suggesting links to the contributor for "redlinks" could be beneficial.. perhaps this could be done with some semantic relations, or other options, which I can't think of now..
--Wiredtape
2008/2/24, Ben chuwiey@gmail.com:
Though I agree with what was said about web 2.0 and intelligent linking, I think that in many cases the contributors don't know if an article on the phrase exists (and if so, under what title).. perhaps some sort of suggesting links to the contributor for "redlinks" could be beneficial.. perhaps this could be done with some semantic relations, or other options, which I can't think of now..
One that I have been thinking of is basing the suggestions on existing links - if you go through Wikipedia, almost all pages on which the word 'Einstein' occurs will also have this word as a link (or part of a link). Thus, if "Einstein" or "Albert Einstein" occurs on a page without links, it's likely to be a term that is useful to link. On the other hand, the word "never" will occur unlinked on many pages, so it is not a good word to suggest as a link either. I haven't tried it out, but it does have the advantage of working for redlinks, disambiguation etcetera as well.
One that I have been thinking of is basing the suggestions on existing links - if you go through Wikipedia, almost all pages on which the word 'Einstein' occurs will also have this word as a link (or part of a link). Thus, if "Einstein" or "Albert Einstein" occurs on a page without links, it's likely to be a term that is useful to link. On the other hand, the word "never" will occur unlinked on many pages, so it is not a good word to suggest as a link either. I haven't tried it out, but it does have the advantage of working for redlinks, disambiguation etcetera as well.
That's sounds like a very intensive process. You would need to form a list of all words that appear in your site along with a measure of how often they're linked - that's a long list! And you would need to keep it up-to-date...
Updating it probably isn't too bad, so it's mainly the effort of forming the list in the first place, which on a large site would be a big job.
Ben wrote:
Oldak Quill wrote:
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On 23/02/2008, Mohamed Magdy wrote:
Hello
Is it possible to make wiki linking (like [[article name]]) an automatic process for articles ?
I mean, like you write text in a wiki page, then you click >>suggest links>> button, then it links all the applicable article names in the page, then you review and save the page (if not, just discard them). making sure not to duplicate the links and using a link exception list so that words aren't linked (like is are she he they them could can etc.)..
--user:alnokta
I think most people create links as they go along, using their judgement as to which links would be helpful and which would not (i.e. which concepts might need further explanation). If you can write an article (decide what information is important and how much explanation to give), you should be able to choose the links as you write. They are the same skill.
The suggestor would not be intelligent and couldn't judge which links are related and which would be appropriate to suggest. I see no advantage over just going through the article and placing double square brackets around particular concepts, words and phrases.
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Though I agree with what was said about web 2.0 and intelligent linking, I think that in many cases the contributors don't know if an article on the phrase exists (and if so, under what title).. perhaps some sort of suggesting links to the contributor for "redlinks" could be beneficial.. perhaps this could be done with some semantic relations, or other options, which I can't think of now..
--Wiredtape
As a better suggestion of how this could be done.. not long ago Brion had mentioned he would like to see search everywhere and anywhere.. this could lend itself to this task as well..
Either on-the-fly ajax based search for links with similar titles, or when you click submit/save, with a check box option (asking whether to suggest links or not), and then showing options based on a similar search for the links.. one problem with this solution is that searches are only efficient when search by prefix, therefore, as an example, if you were writing an article about famous physicists and you wrote a link to [[Einstein]] and an article existed called [[Albert Einstein]] this solution wouldn't provide this suggestion..
I still think, this could work out well for red links..
--Wiredtape
Ben wrote:
Though I agree with what was said about web 2.0 and intelligent linking, I think that in many cases the contributors don't know if an article on the phrase exists (and if so, under what title).. perhaps some sort of suggesting links to the contributor for "redlinks" could be beneficial.. perhaps this could be done with some semantic relations, or other options, which I can't think of now..
--Wiredtape
There was such a tool at the toolserver, mostly for fun, because it linked almost every word and thus was useless. Magnus, was it yours? I thought so but it isn't on your tool list.
On 2/25/08, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
There was such a tool at the toolserver, mostly for fun, because it linked almost every word and thus was useless. Magnus, was it yours? I thought so but it isn't on your tool list.
It was Nick Jenkins'. I haven't heard from him for a while, though.
On 2/24/08, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
I think most people create links as they go along, using their
Most "people" or most "skilled editors"? Sure, those of us who have spent hundreds of hours know what we're doing, but the average editor, and particularly the average beginner would really benefit from some help.
judgement as to which links would be helpful and which would not (i.e. which concepts might need further explanation). If you can write an
I suspect there are some good heuristics which could make good guesses. You could start with rare words and phrases, then look at the frequency of a certain word within "similar articles" etc.
article (decide what information is important and how much explanation to give), you should be able to choose the links as you write. They are the same skill.
Don't interpret the existence of a tool as somehow preventing the user doing something. Of course you "should be able to choose the links as you write'.
The suggestor would not be intelligent and couldn't judge which links are related and which would be appropriate to suggest.
Wouldn't be? Couldn't be? Really?
I see no advantage over just going through the article and placing double square brackets around particular concepts, words and phrases.
I see lots. It would be much faster, for a start. It would be one less task to have to worry about. I would love to be able to quickly whip up a stub, see a proposed list of links, then be able to click OK or finetune them. The less cognitive load required to edit, the better for everyone.
Steve
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