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VP Singh

5 Apr 2014 5 Apr '14

12:37 a.m.

I want to ask wikimedia , about the .wiki tld. I am AN IT expert and I was going to register science.wiiki (example) in epa ( early phase access) which will be in may for my firm. I was surprised to find that it was already registered by Top Level Design. Visit: http://whois.domaintools.com/science.wiki. Your all domains like media.wiki , books.wiki etc are registered. http://whois.domaintools.com/books.wiki I want to know that "wiki" means collaborative web you have the trademark on the tld or not. TOP LEVEL DESIGN, LLC is a miscellaneous company. Why a registrar will register all premium domains. I have requested my client to ignore .wiki tld. What will be your action? Best Regards, V.P. Singh

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Oliver Keyes

5 Apr 5 Apr

1:13 a.m.

"wiki" is a generic term, not a trademarked one. On 4 April 2014 09:37, VP Singh <vpsinghdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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-- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation

Federico Leva (Nemo)

5:12 a.m.

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"wiki" is a generic term, not a trademarked one.

You sure? Please share your certainties! <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_trademarks#Wikimedia_Foundation_trademarking_.E7.B6.AD.E5.9F.BA.2C_the_Chinese_word_for_.22wiki.22.3F> Nemo

Anthony

8:37 p.m.

The Chinese word for "wiki" is not "wiki". As far as sharing my own personal certainties, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark would be a start, but for the most part certainties aren't something that can easily be shared. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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"wiki" is a generic term, not a trademarked one.

You sure? Please share your certainties! <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_trademarks#Wikimedia_ Foundation_trademarking_.E7.B6.AD.E5.9F.BA.2C_the_Chinese_ word_for_.22wiki.22.3F

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David Whitten

6 Apr 6 Apr

12:01 a.m.

wiki is from Hawaiian. wiki-wiki means "very quick" On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Anthony <ok(a)theendput.com> wrote:

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"wiki" is a generic term, not a trademarked one.

You sure? Please share your certainties! <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_trademarks#Wikimedia_ Foundation_trademarking_.E7.B6.AD.E5.9F.BA.2C_the_Chinese_ word_for_.22wiki.22.3F

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VP Singh

1:10 a.m.

This guy http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Raymond_King who is director of icannwiki and also the co-founder of "Swapnames" He has right on .wiki tld but he does not have right on media.wiki ( for example) . http://whois.domaintools.com/media.wiki (proof) Then what's the point in registering MNCs and other premium names before sunrise period. Unless he want to auction them. On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 9:01 AM, David Whitten <whitten(a)netcom.com> wrote:

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wiki is from Hawaiian. wiki-wiki means "very quick" On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Anthony <ok(a)theendput.com> wrote:

The Chinese word for "wiki" is not "wiki". As far as sharing my own personal certainties, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark would be a start, but

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the most part certainties aren't something that can easily be shared. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com

wrote:

"wiki" is a generic term, not a trademarked one.

You sure? Please share your certainties! <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_trademarks#Wikimedia_ Foundation_trademarking_.E7.B6.AD.E5.9F.BA.2C_the_Chinese_ word_for_.22wiki.22.3F

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Chad

4:51 a.m.

There's no point to any of these new gTLDs. As its been pointed out in many places, including here, the whole thing is a massive scam (not just .wiki). Nobody should be indulging in these domains but I'm sure everyone will. -Chad On Apr 5, 2014 10:11 AM, "VP Singh" <vpsinghdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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wiki is from Hawaiian. wiki-wiki means "very quick" On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Anthony <ok(a)theendput.com> wrote:

The Chinese word for "wiki" is not "wiki". As far as sharing my own personal certainties, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark would be a start, but

for > the most part certainties aren't something that can easily be shared. > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <

nemowiki(a)gmail.com

> >wrote: > > > "wiki" is a generic term, not a trademarked one. > >> > > > > You sure? Please share your certainties! > > <

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_trademarks#Wikimedia_

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Steven Walling

6:20 a.m.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There's no point to any of these new gTLDs.

Daniel Norton

6:26 a.m.

New subject: URL shortener

On Apr 5, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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For Wikimedia, there's a lot of potential for use as a good URL shortener (en.wiki/Dog in instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

BTW, I'm studying such a shortener, now, for use by Wikimedia. The domain name is among the simpler challenges. :-) -- Daniel

Chad

6:30 a.m.

Poor non-Wikipedias won't get shorteners then... -Chad On Apr 5, 2014 3:22 PM, "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

There's no point to any of these new gTLDs.

For Wikimedia, there's a lot of potential for use as a good URL shortener (en.wiki/Dog in instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog). The fact that Ray is working with us to try and make that kind of thing happen for .wiki is pretty cool, in my book. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

VP Singh

7 Apr 7 Apr

12:28 a.m.

Who are you? Are you a WikimediaN. Is ray king is working with wikimedia. True? wikimedia said that ray is not related to anyone of their organisation. Clarify On 4/5/14, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Poor non-Wikipedias won't get shorteners then... -Chad On Apr 5, 2014 3:22 PM, "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

There's no point to any of these new gTLDs.

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Brian Wolff

12:47 a.m.

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Who are you?

The emails have from headers...

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Are you a WikimediaN.

Everyone responding to this thread is a Wikimedian (almost by definition). Some of the responses are from people who work for the Wikimedia Foundation (not the same thing as being a Wikimedian), however i am almost certain they are responding in a personal capacity not an official one. If you are looking for some sort of official response from WMF legal, you are in the wrong place.

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Is ray king is working with wikimedia?

Nope. He does not work for WMF.

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wikimedia said that ray is not related to anyone of their organisation.

He does not work for WMF. How to answer that depends on your definition of related... -- Bawolff

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Clarify On 4/5/14, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Poor non-Wikipedias won't get shorteners then... > > -Chad > On Apr 5, 2014 3:22 PM, "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>

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> >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > There's no point to any of these new gTLDs. >> > >> >> For Wikimedia, there's a lot of potential for use as a good URL

shortener

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>> (en.wiki/Dog in instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog). The fact that

Ray

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is working with us to try and make that kind of thing happen for .wiki is pretty cool, in my book. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Jeremy Baron

12:54 a.m.

On Apr 6, 2014 12:47 PM, "Brian Wolff" <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Is ray king is working with wikimedia?

Nope. He does not work for WMF.

He doesn't work for WMF but the answer for "is working with Wikimedia?" is "Yes, he is." -Jeremy

Brad Jorsch (Anomie)

10:19 p.m.

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Some of the responses are from people who work for the Wikimedia Foundation (not the same thing as being a Wikimedian), however i am almost certain they are responding in a personal capacity not an official one. If you are looking for some sort of official response from WMF legal, you are in the wrong place.

I believe the last official response was that discussions are being had privately between WMF and Top Level Design.[1] So while I agree that this whole gTLD thing is probably some sort of money-grabbing scheme,[2] the balance of evidence seems to indicate that situation with .wiki isn't anything to worry overmuch about yet. [1]: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-February/074622.html [2]: I note how .info, years ago, was created with the same sort of rationale but in the end the only thing I've ever heard about .info is on anti-spam lists about blocking the whole thing because basically no one uses it for sending ham.

Antoine Musso

6 Apr 6 Apr

7:31 a.m.

Le 06/04/2014 00:20, Steven Walling a écrit :

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For Wikimedia, there's a lot of potential for use as a good URL shortener (en.wiki/Dog in instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog).

What is the point of having shorter URLs anyway? -- Antoine "hashar" Musso

Daniel Norton

9:34 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs (Was: Top Level Design, LLC greedy registrar!)

On Apr 5, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr> wrote:

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What is the point of having shorter URLs anyway?

MZMcBride

7 Apr 7 Apr

1:08 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

Daniel Norton wrote:

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On Apr 5, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr> wrote:

What is the point of having shorter URLs anyway?

I'm beginning to think expanding ShortUrl-type syntax (i.e., en.wikipedia.org/s/xr32) is a reasonable compromise position here. It keeps Wikimedia (and MediaWiki) out of the TLD insanity while providing shorter URLs to those who want them. But... "en.wikipedia.org" is still somewhat lengthy. I happen to regularly use enwp.org as a shortcut for "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/" when browsing the Internet (not in public writing). And it seems w.org is now redirecting to wordpress.org, sigh. MZMcBride

Daniel Norton

1:53 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:08 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

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en.wikipedia.org/s/xr32

Hmm, I presume that you were just tossing out a random URL, but that “/s/” path seems to be configured with some special purpose, sending a 301 redirect regardless of the remainder of the path. Is that documented somewhere? (I would expect a 404.) -- Daniel

Jeremy Baron

1:57 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

On Apr 6, 2014 1:53 PM, "Daniel Norton" <daniel(a)danielnorton.com> wrote:

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sending a 301 redirect regardless of the remainder of the path. Is that

documented somewhere? (I would expect a 404.) The apache conf is in a public git repo. (not getting the URL for you atm because I'm writing from a phone. should be operations/apache-config in gerrit) See also https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShortUrl -Jeremy

Daniel Norton

6:01 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

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On Apr 6, 2014 1:53 PM, "Daniel Norton" <daniel(a)danielnorton.com> wrote:

sending a 301 redirect regardless of the remainder of the path. Is that

Yeah, it's in that repo and I found the changeset, but there's no explanation or bug #, just a comment "Special:ShortURL redirect RT-2121". The Extension:ShortUrl is not enabled on those servers, so I still expect a 404. Hmmm. No biggie, but it seems an undocumented anomaly. Perhaps leftover crud? Changeset: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16742 -- Daniel

Daniel Friesen

6:16 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

On 2014-04-06, 3:01 PM, Daniel Norton wrote:

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On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com> wrote:

On Apr 6, 2014 1:53 PM, "Daniel Norton" <daniel(a)danielnorton.com> wrote:

sending a 301 redirect regardless of the remainder of the path. Is that

It's redirected to index.php where PathRouter is supposed to take over which Ext:ShortUrl hooks into. If ShortUrl isn't present then MediaWiki's normal handling of urls will continue. MediaWiki doesn't have native 404 handling and any unknown URL is considered to be the main page. Never finished the changeset fixing that (implementing native 404 handling). ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/]

MZMcBride

3:42 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

Daniel Norton wrote:

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On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:08 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

en.wikipedia.org/s/xr32

The ShortUrl MediaWiki extension is active on some Wikimedia wikis. As Jeremy says, it has associated Apache configuration to support even shorter URLs. Example: <https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/3qhk>. I was suggesting possibly (properly) expanding this functionality to additional Wikimedia wikis. The current /s/ behavior on wikis where ShortUrl is not installed is just a byproduct of shared Apache configuration between the domains (you can search for "/s/" in operations/apache-config/main.conf): <https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/operations%2Fapache-config.git//main.conf>. MZMcBride

Daniel Norton

6:04 a.m.

New subject: Shorter URLs

On Apr 6, 2014, at 2:42 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

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The current /s/ behavior on wikis where ShortUrl is not installed is just a byproduct of shared Apache configuration between the domains

Oh, I see. Okay.

phoebe ayers

5 Apr 5 Apr

7:30 a.m.

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On 4 April 2014 09:37, VP Singh <vpsinghdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Design.

Visit: http://whois.domaintools.com/science.wiki.

It is true that wiki is a generic term but it is slightly more complex than that. Top Level Design are the ones who initially applied to ICANN for .wiki to be created. see http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Top_Level_Design and http://dotwiki.org/ I don't know exactly how it will work, but it seems that .wiki is not yet available for individual application -- that starts in May: http://nic.wiki/sunrise-opens-corporate-wiki-strategies/ Incidentally, Top Level Design is run by Ray King, who has been a long-time part of the wiki scene in Portland. In addition to running domain-related businesses, he genuinely loves wikis :) He is, however, totally unaffiliated with Wikimedia. -- Phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers <at> gmail.com *

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Anthony
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Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
Brian Wolff
Chad
Daniel Friesen
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Jeremy Baron
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