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Tim Starling

23 Aug 2005 23 Aug '05

6:50 p.m.

I put a "permalink" link in the sidebar. Consider it a trial, please tell me what you think. This has often been suggested, but it was most recently discussed at: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposa… The UI message name to translate the link is "permalink". -- Tim Starling

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Brian

23 Aug 23 Aug

6:58 p.m.

Wow that's great. I like how it links to the oldid. This makes it easier to be sure that what you linked to is exactly what the person who clicks your link will find, and not goatse :) --Alterego On 8/23/05, Tim Starling <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

I put a "permalink" link in the sidebar. Consider it a trial, please tell me what you think. This has often been suggested, but it was most recently discussed at: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposa… The UI message name to translate the link is "permalink". -- Tim Starling _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Alfio Puglisi

8:16 p.m.

Good, but unless I'm making some mistake it only works for the current revision - it's disabled when one is looking at an older version. Is this a feature or a bug? Alfio On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Tim Starling wrote:

I put a "permalink" link in the sidebar. Consider it a trial, please tell me what you think. This has often been suggested, but it was most recently discussed at: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposa… The UI message name to translate the link is "permalink". -- Tim Starling _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Tim Starling

8:25 p.m.

Alfio Puglisi wrote:

Good, but unless I'm making some mistake it only works for the current revision - it's disabled when one is looking at an older version. Is this a feature or a bug? Alfio

Old versions *are* permalinks. I was attempting to convey that fact visually. -- Tim Starling

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Angela

8:26 p.m.

On 8/23/05, Alfio Puglisi <puglisi(a)arcetri.astro.it> wrote:

Good, but unless I'm making some mistake it only works for the current revision - it's disabled when one is looking at an older version. Is this a feature or a bug?

As I already said on the village pump about diff pages, I don't think it's needed. An old revision, like a diff, already is a permalink. You can just copy it out of your address bar. The advantage of a permalink on current revisions is that the link changes whenever someone edits a page. Angela.

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Alfio Puglisi

8:36 p.m.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Angela wrote:

On 8/23/05, Alfio Puglisi <puglisi(a)arcetri.astro.it> wrote:

Good, but unless I'm making some mistake it only works for the current revision - it's disabled when one is looking at an older version. Is this a feature or a bug?

As I already said on the village pump about diff pages, I don't think it's needed. An old revision, like a diff, already is a permalink. You can just copy it out of your address bar. The advantage of a permalink on current revisions is that the link changes whenever someone edits a page.

Ah, well it makes sense. Sorry but i wasn't reading the english village pump. Alfio

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Dori

10:52 p.m.

On 8/23/05, Tim Starling <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

I put a "permalink" link in the sidebar. Consider it a trial, please tell me what you think. This has often been suggested, but it was most recently discussed at: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposa… The UI message name to translate the link is "permalink".

Good idea, but I wouldn't call it a permalink as there isn't much that's permanent in a wiki. What happens after a page gets moved/delete?

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Brion Vibber

24 Aug 24 Aug

12:06 a.m.

Dori wrote:

Good idea, but I wouldn't call it a permalink as there isn't much that's permanent in a wiki. What happens after a page gets moved/delete?

The link will continue to work after page moves. Deletion, obviously, would break the link, just as deletion of any resource on any dynamic web site would break a permalink to it. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Dori

12:36 a.m.

On 8/23/05, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote:

Dori wrote:

Good idea, but I wouldn't call it a permalink as there isn't much that's permanent in a wiki. What happens after a page gets moved/delete?

The link will continue to work after page moves. Deletion, obviously, would break the link, just as deletion of any resource on any dynamic web site would break a permalink to it.

I still don't like the name. What about templates/dynamic content? The (displayed) content could change very significantly over time despite having the same permalink. Dori

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