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Earlier today I branched off 1.7 in our subversion repository, and made a release candidate:
http://svn.wikimedia.org/snapshots/mediawiki-1.7.0rc.tar.gz
It's marked as just 1.7.0 internally. If there's no reports of major breakage by tomorrow morning I'll re-zip it as 1.7.0 final. I'd appreciate if a few people could test installation and upgrading, which don't receive as much testing from Wikipedia as other code.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
It's marked as just 1.7.0 internally. If there's no reports of major breakage by tomorrow morning I'll re-zip it as 1.7.0 final. I'd appreciate if a few people could test installation and upgrading, which don't receive as much testing from Wikipedia as other code.
I did not experience any show-stoppers when upgrading from 1.6.7. I'm still testing all of my extensions for compatibility though...
Thank you for requiring PHP 5. Hopefully this will some way help convince the lethargic hosting providers to upgrade. PHP 5 will be two years old next Thursday. Yeesh.
Also, Brion, check out http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFMLGEN/mail/1355. Basically, 'require_once' isn't as fast as 'require'. Also, given the extreme amount of 'require' statements in MW and the fact that it is now PHP 5, have you ever thought of using the __autoload() function? See http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.autoload.php
Gregory Szorc gregory.szorc@gmail.com
I did not experience any show-stoppers when upgrading from 1.6.7. I'm still testing all of my extensions for compatibility though...
Thank you for requiring PHP 5. Hopefully this will some way help convince the lethargic hosting providers to upgrade. PHP 5 will be two years old next Thursday. Yeesh.
Yes. The problem is that it not require PHP 5. It require 5.1... It is a little hard with PHP requirment. ... I'm in battle to upgrade PHP from 5.04 to 5.1.4 . ... With PHP 5.04 IT NOT WORK ? Is it possible to use PHP 5.0.4 AND NOT 5.1.4 ?
P.S. Another hysterical post ... ...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Szorc" gregory.szorc@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.7.0 release candidate
It's marked as just 1.7.0 internally. If there's no reports of major breakage by tomorrow morning I'll re-zip it as 1.7.0 final. I'd appreciate if a few people could test installation and upgrading, which don't receive as much testing from Wikipedia as other code.
I did not experience any show-stoppers when upgrading from 1.6.7. I'm still testing all of my extensions for compatibility though...
Thank you for requiring PHP 5. Hopefully this will some way help convince the lethargic hosting providers to upgrade. PHP 5 will be two years old next Thursday. Yeesh.
Also, Brion, check out http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFMLGEN/mail/1355. Basically, 'require_once' isn't as fast as 'require'. Also, given the extreme amount of 'require' statements in MW and the fact that it is now PHP 5, have you ever thought of using the __autoload() function? See http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.autoload.php
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On 07/07/06, Ulisse Savi ulisavi@tin.it wrote:
Yes. The problem is that it not require PHP 5. It require 5.1... It is a little hard with PHP requirment. ... I'm in battle to upgrade PHP from 5.04 to 5.1.4 . ... With PHP 5.04 IT NOT WORK ? Is it possible to use PHP 5.0.4 AND NOT 5.1.4 ?
Why isn't this poster on moderation/medication?
Rob Church
Why isn't this poster on moderation/medication?
Rob Church
Yes. I'm in anxiety. And i'm also a little stupid. But it is the true. Pardon me. Plesk for example has only php 5.0.4. PHP 5.1 IS REALLY REALLY HARD (HARD, HARD AND HARD) for requirement. Or not ? P.S. A adults only (super porn (xxx)) post....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Church" robchur@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.7.0 release candidate
On 07/07/06, Ulisse Savi ulisavi@tin.it wrote:
Yes. The problem is that it not require PHP 5. It require 5.1... It is a little hard with PHP requirment. ... I'm in battle to upgrade PHP from 5.04 to 5.1.4 . ... With PHP 5.04 IT NOT WORK ? Is it possible to use PHP 5.0.4 AND NOT 5.1.4 ?
Why isn't this poster on moderation/medication?
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Gregory Szorc wrote:
Thank you for requiring PHP 5. Hopefully this will some way help convince the lethargic hosting providers to upgrade. PHP 5 will be two years old next Thursday. Yeesh.
Next you'll be asking us to upgrade our home computers off Windows 98! ;)
Also, Brion, check out http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFMLGEN/mail/1355. Basically, 'require_once' isn't as fast as 'require'. Also, given the extreme amount of 'require' statements in MW and the fact that it is now PHP 5, have you ever thought of using the __autoload() function? See http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.autoload.php
As it happens, MediaWiki 1.7 uses autoloading extensively for just this reason.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
We recently tried using php 5.1 on our installation, granted we are still running 1.4.7 (yes, yes, yes, we are in the process of upgrading) and things mysteriously stopped working.... Like rollbacks and the spam blacklist. It was weird. I dug into it and did find that array1 += array2 no longer worked as expected, which was causing our Spam Blacklist extension to fail. It wasn't a fun experience. Going back to php 4.1 returned things to normal.
Travis
We recently tried using php 5.1 on our installation, granted we are still running 1.4.7 (yes, yes, yes, we are in the process of upgrading) and things mysteriously stopped working.... Like rollbacks and the spam blacklist. It was weird. I dug into it and did find that array1 += array2 no longer worked as expected, which was causing our Spam Blacklist extension to fail. It wasn't a fun experience. Going back to php 4.1 returned things to normal.
Travis _______________________________________________
Yes. Absolutely. PHP 5.1 for requirement is a bad, bad, bad thing. If i use Php 5-04 i can install it ?
Upgrading from 5.04 to 5.1, in Plesk is a terrible thing.
Is it possible to install 1.7 in PHP 5.04 ?
------------------- In another list i have found the message : [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [15409] trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES
" == Compatibility == MediaWiki 1.8 requires PHP 5 (5.1 recommended). PHP 4 is no longer supported.:"
PHP 5 IS SUFFICIENT !!! I DON'T NEED 5.1
----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Derouin" travis@wikihow.com To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.7.0 release candidate
We recently tried using php 5.1 on our installation, granted we are still running 1.4.7 (yes, yes, yes, we are in the process of upgrading) and things mysteriously stopped working.... Like rollbacks and the spam blacklist. It was weird. I dug into it and did find that array1 += array2 no longer worked as expected, which was causing our Spam Blacklist extension to fail. It wasn't a fun experience. Going back to php 4.1 returned things to normal.
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On 07/07/06, Ulisse Savi ulisavi@tin.it wrote:
Yes. Absolutely. PHP 5.1 for requirement is a bad, bad, bad thing. If i use Php 5-04 i can install it ?
What utter bollocks. If the software needs PHP 5.1.x then it needs 5.1.x. There' s no Bad Thing about it.
Upgrading from 5.04 to 5.1, in Plesk is a terrible thing.
Don't use Plesk then.
Is it possible to install 1.7 in PHP 5.04 ?
Have you TRIED?
In another list i have found the message : [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [15409] trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES
" == Compatibility == MediaWiki 1.8 requires PHP 5 (5.1 recommended). PHP 4 is no longer supported.:"
Recommended, because we haven't been testing against 5.0.x. It might *require* the 5.1.x branch...
PHP 5 IS SUFFICIENT !!! I DON'T NEED 5.1
Good for you. Off you go, then.
Rob Church
PHP 5 IS SUFFICIENT !!! I DON'T NEED 5.1
Good for you. Off you go, then.
"Off you go". It is a little offensive that you use this words. I need to insert the wikipedia mirror in a group of many different sites (i have almost 200 sites). And i need to use Plesk, that not allow PHP 5.1. (only 5.04) Yes. Wikipedia dumps are for 1.7. And, AT THE MOMENT, the unique stable version is 1.6. Only 50/60 servers use php 5.1.4.2 in the entire internet and some articles tell that 1.7 require 5.1 and some other that it is not required (and 5 is sufficient). Your words are a little offensive for me. You are a little badly educated
On 07/07/06, Ulisse Savi ulisavi@tin.it wrote:
I need to insert the wikipedia mirror in a group of many different sites (i have almost 200 sites). And i need to use Plesk, that not allow PHP 5.1. (only 5.04)
Sucks to be you, eh?
Yes. Wikipedia dumps are for 1.7. And, AT THE MOMENT, the unique stable version is 1.6.
Actually, MediaWiki 1.7.0 has been released.
Only 50/60 servers use php 5.1.4.2 in the entire internet and
60% of all statistics, including this one, are pulled from people's rear ends. Fascinating little world, isn't it?
PHP 5.0.x branch is old, obsolete and unmaintained.
some articles tell that 1.7 require 5.1 and some other that it is not required (and 5 is sufficient).
We *think* it might work with 5.0.x but we haven't been testing it against it. I run PHP 5.1.4 on all testing and development boxes, as do the other core developers; Wikimedia wikis run 5.1.4 too. No one is absolutely sure, hence we up the requirement to avoid whinging later.
Your words are a little offensive for me. You are a little badly educated
Take offense all you like, but it's not down to bad education. Far from it; it's down to an upbringing and a life which so far hasn't encouraged me to spoon feed people. I concede I could have been a little less...provocative...but you really need to learn not to break into hysterics in mails to a public mailing list. It isn't the fault of the audience here that you're stuck behind a bunch of arcane restrictions, whether that's voluntary or otherwise.
Rob Church
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 11:17:33PM +0100, Rob Church wrote:
Only 50/60 servers use php 5.1.4.2 in the entire internet and
60% of all statistics, including this one, are pulled from people's rear ends. Fascinating little world, isn't it?
No, Rob; that's:
"86.5% of all statistics people quote are made up on the spot, a number that rises to 92.73% for any statistic with more than one decimal."
Cheers, -- jra
"Ulisse Savi" ulisavi@tin.it writes:
PHP 5 IS SUFFICIENT !!! I DON'T NEED 5.1
Good for you. Off you go, then.
"Off you go". It is a little offensive that you use this words.
Maybe, but correct nevertheless. The Mediawiki software is made for the benefit of the Wikimedia foundation for use on its various projects. Thus, the software will reflect the needs of the WMF. As a courtesy, the software is released for public use.
I need to insert the wikipedia mirror in a group of many different sites (i have almost 200 sites). And i need to use Plesk, that not allow PHP 5.1. (only 5.04)
You clearly have conflicting needs then. Stop using plesk, or use an older version of mediawiki, and live with that. Blaming Rob for stating this simple fact is more than "a little offensive".
Yes. Wikipedia dumps are for 1.7. And, AT THE MOMENT, the unique stable version is 1.6.
Since the 15th-largest website in the world runs on the HEAD version of the SVN trunk, the term "stable version" is a bit misleading here. Instead of complaining, you should actually be happy that we provide access to the current version on a 0-minute basis.
Only 50/60 servers use php 5.1.4.2 in the entire internet and some articles tell that 1.7 require 5.1 and some other that it is not required (and 5 is sufficient).
Well, the WMF cluster is one of those sites. And as I said above, the Mediawiki software is primarily developed to cover the needs the WMF have.
Your words are a little offensive for me. You are a little badly educated
I beg to differ...
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 12:07:07AM +0200, Ulisse Savi wrote:
PHP 5 IS SUFFICIENT !!! I DON'T NEED 5.1
Good for you. Off you go, then.
"Off you go". It is a little offensive that you use this words.
I rather suspect Rob *meant* it to be offensive; you've been being *quite* annoying in the tone of your postings. Someone used the word "shrill"; I think that was entirely accurate.
Yes. Wikipedia dumps are for 1.7. And, AT THE MOMENT, the unique stable version is 1.6.
Not anymore.
Only 50/60 servers use php 5.1.4.2 in the entire internet and some articles tell that 1.7 require 5.1 and some other that it is not required (and 5 is sufficient).
brion just posted the release announcement. It says that 5.0 *might* possibly work, if you're brave, and motivated.
Your words are a little offensive for me. You are a little badly educated
Not at all.
Cheers, -- jra
Travis Derouin wrote:
We recently tried using php 5.1 on our installation, granted we are still running 1.4.7 (yes, yes, yes, we are in the process of upgrading) and things mysteriously stopped working.... Like rollbacks and the spam blacklist. It was weird.
You might try running a modern version of MediaWiki that's designed to run on PHP 5.1.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com writes:
It's marked as just 1.7.0 internally. If there's no reports of major breakage by tomorrow morning I'll re-zip it as 1.7.0 final. I'd appreciate if a few people could test installation and upgrading, which don't receive as much testing from Wikipedia as other code.
Installing with the experimental UTF-8 support terminates with this message:
Warning: mysql_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /var/www/w17rc/mw17rc1/includes/Database.php on line 620
A database query syntax error has occurred. The last attempted database query was: "(SQL query hidden)" from within function "". MySQL returned error "0: "
Installing with the backwards compatible UTF-8 works OK.
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