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Pine W

9 May 2015 9 May '15

8:30 p.m.

As a part of the engineering reorganization, will there be a multimedia team within the readeship or power users groups? For some time I have been hoping to get Wikipedia the ability to provide interactive visualizations. Also, this article[1] suggests that VR may see widespread adoption in the next few years, and a multimedia team could capitalize on the trend. Pine [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30924022

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Brian Wolff

9 May 9 May

9:06 p.m.

Im told the multimedia team got undisbanded and now is part of editing department. People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game realm or gimmick realm for a while yet --bawolff On May 9, 2015 2:31 PM, "Pine W" <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Trevor Parscal

10:02 p.m.

There is a Multimedia team under Editing, and it includes Mark Holmquist of the former Multimedia team as to lead engineer. The teams roadmap is in the works, but 3D is something that's been coming up a lot lately, so the team should be able to at least make some plans around figuring it out pretty soon. - Trevor On Saturday, May 9, 2015, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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As a part of the engineering reorganization, will there be a multimedia team within the readeship or power users groups? For some time I have

been

hoping to get Wikipedia the ability to provide interactive

visualizations.

Also, this article[1] suggests that VR may see widespread adoption in the next few years, and a multimedia team could capitalize on the trend. Pine [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30924022 _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Tim Starling

11 May 11 May

12:18 a.m.

On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote:

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People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game realm or gimmick realm for a while yet

Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we could use it with or without browser support. -- Tim Starling

Ori Livneh

3:37 a.m.

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote:

People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game realm or gimmick realm for a while yet

Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we could use it with or without browser support.

This is pretty cool. There are some examples at <http://examples.x3dom.org/

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Simple example: a ball-joint pendulum: < http://examples.x3dom.org/physics/ballJoint_pendulum.html> Complex example: a liver: < http://liveranatomyexplorer.steven-birr.com/index.php?site=start>

Quim Gil

9:24 a.m.

Hi, On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Im told the multimedia team got undisbanded and now is part of editing department.

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors?showall=1 is up to date, and you can see a Multimedia team there (Matmarex, marktraceur, and prtksxna).

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People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game realm or gimmick realm for a while yet

See Allow uploading of 3D files to Wikimedia Commons https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3790 (created on Mar 31 2005 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3790#60882>, a decade ago). We have tried to propose this idea in several GSoC / Outreachy rounds, but somehow we have struggled finding mentors or candidates, or perhaps even a clear plan for a first release.

Antoine Musso

9:29 a.m.

On 11/05/15 02:18, Tim Starling wrote:

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On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote:

>People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more >pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game >realm or gimmick realm for a while yet

Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we could use it with or without browser support.

Hello, A potential use case for the encyclopedia, would be to display models of chemistry molecules. An example: http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_MediaWiki_Extension The ability to display X3D would be surely most welcome by a wide range of Wiki projects. -- Antoine Musso

Jean-Frédéric

11:42 a.m.

2015-05-11 10:29 GMT+01:00 Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr>fr>:

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On 11/05/15 02:18, Tim Starling wrote:

On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote:

People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game realm or gimmick realm for a while yet

Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we could use it with or without browser support.

Hello, A potential use case for the encyclopedia, would be to display models of chemistry molecules. An example: http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_MediaWiki_Extension

See <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/16/> and < https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/804/> -- Jean-Frédéric

Brian Gerstle

2:33 p.m.

I'm also curious what our audio/video storage/transcoding/playback roadmap is. IMO it's a pretty fundamental feature that isn't well supported in all the clients (especially mobile). Could probably do some interesting audio stuff (e.g. narration in many languages) for visually impaired. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jean-Frédéric <jeanfrederic.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2015-05-11 10:29 GMT+01:00 Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr>fr>:

On 11/05/15 02:18, Tim Starling wrote: > On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote: > >> >People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is

>> >pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video

game

>realm or gimmick realm for a while yet

Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we could use it with or without browser support.

Hello, A potential use case for the encyclopedia, would be to display models of chemistry molecules. An example: http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_MediaWiki_Extension

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Giuseppe Lavagetto

13 May 13 May

7:23 a.m.

While I know that doesn't sound fancy or attractive, I think the multimedia team should have as one of its focuses to help with transitioning to HHVM the imagescalers. There seem to be a few issues with that and some support that won't just come out of goodwill, but as a team commitment, would greatly help with that. Cheers, Giuseppe On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Brian Gerstle <bgerstle(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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2015-05-11 10:29 GMT+01:00 Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr>fr>:

On 11/05/15 02:18, Tim Starling wrote: > On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote: > >> >People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is

>> >pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video

game

> >realm or gimmick realm for a while yet > Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we could use it with or without browser support.

Hello, A potential use case for the encyclopedia, would be to display models of chemistry molecules. An example: http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_MediaWiki_Extension

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Trevor Parscal

7:27 a.m.

The team has some hires, and there will be some needed focus on hiring at least some of them as backend/MediaWiki core engineers. This is mostly because we acknowledge the sizable backlog of tasks in that area as well as the need to make improvements in that area to support future work. I'll likely look to The Performance team to help with HHVM related activities as well. - Trevor On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Giuseppe Lavagetto <glavagetto(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I'm also curious what our audio/video storage/transcoding/playback

roadmap

is. IMO it's a pretty fundamental feature that isn't well supported in

all

the clients (especially mobile). Could probably do some interesting

audio

stuff (e.g. narration in many languages) for visually impaired. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jean-Frédéric <

jeanfrederic.wiki(a)gmail.com <javascript:;>>

wrote: > 2015-05-11 10:29 GMT+01:00 Antoine Musso <hashar+wmf(a)free.fr

<javascript:;>>:

> > > On 11/05/15 02:18, Tim Starling wrote: > > > >> On 10/05/15 07:06, Brian Wolff wrote: > >> > >>> >People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is > more > >>> >pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video > game > >>> >realm or gimmick realm for a while yet > >>> > >> Maybe VR is a gimmick, but VRML, or X3D as it is now called, could be > >> a useful way to present 3D diagrams embedded in pages. Like SVG, we > >> could use it with or without browser support. > >> > > > > Hello, > > > > A potential use case for the encyclopedia, would be to display models

chemistry molecules. An example: http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Jmol_MediaWiki_Extension

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Brian Wolff

8:05 a.m.

On 5/13/15, Trevor Parscal <tparscal(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Trevor Parscal

8:34 a.m.

I think the scope is multimedia contribution and curation. We will be working with the reading and search teams to improve the presentation and discoverability if media items. The scalers are in between, we need them for both presentation and contribution pipelines. For the time being I'm anticipating this landing on the editing side. - Trevor On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 5/13/15, Trevor Parscal <tparscal(a)wikimedia.org <javascript:;>> wrote:

the need to make improvements in that area to support future work. I'll likely look to The Performance team to help with HHVM related activities as well. - Trevor

So this is probably a good time to ask. What is the scope of the current Multimedia team. Are they responsible for literally every multimedia related thing, or just stuff related to "editing" (they're in the "editing" department after all), or somewhere in the middle --bawolff _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Antoine Musso
Brian Gerstle
Brian Wolff
Giuseppe Lavagetto
Jean-Frédéric
Ori Livneh
Pine W
Quim Gil
Tim Starling
Trevor Parscal