Please restore old meaning of <pre> which suppressed interpretation of wiki markup ! (for Polish Wikipedia at least, I don't care much whether others will have broken markup)
It broke virtually all code examples on Polish Wikipedia !!!
And don't do any more changes to markup in future without telling people about that.
--- Tomasz Wegrzanowski taw@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
Please restore old meaning of <pre> which suppressed interpretation of wiki markup ! (for Polish Wikipedia at least, I don't care much whether others will have broken markup)
It broke virtually all code examples on Polish Wikipedia !!!
It did the same in the English Wikipedia; they have now been fixed. I think Lee argued at the time for the new conventions. I don't think it is a good idea to use differing Wiki markup semantics on the different language Wikipedias, because then cut-and-paste becomes impossible and maintaining the code turns into a nightmare.
Axel
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:06:07AM -0800, Axel Boldt wrote:
--- Tomasz Wegrzanowski taw@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
Please restore old meaning of <pre> which suppressed interpretation of wiki markup ! (for Polish Wikipedia at least, I don't care much whether others will have broken markup)
It broke virtually all code examples on Polish Wikipedia !!!
It did the same in the English Wikipedia; they have now been fixed. I think Lee argued at the time for the new conventions. I don't think it is a good idea to use differing Wiki markup semantics on the different language Wikipedias, because then cut-and-paste becomes impossible and maintaining the code turns into a nightmare.
Having to fight all these gratuitous changes is a nightmare already. Please either restore <pre> to old meaning on all Wikipedias or just on Polish.
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
Please restore old meaning of <pre> which suppressed interpretation of wiki markup ! (for Polish Wikipedia at least, I don't care much whether others will have broken markup)
I don't remember it ever working differently; I was not aware that the behavior had been changed. Changing it again now would of course probably break other code...
It broke virtually all code examples on Polish Wikipedia !!!
If you want that, use: <pre><nowiki> ... </nowiki></pre>
And don't do any more changes to markup in future without telling people about that.
I'll just point out we had a test server running for *months* with the new software and a copy of the Polish wiki precisely to check for things that might need to be fixed or changed.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 12:23:08PM -0800, Brion VIBBER wrote:
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
Please restore old meaning of <pre> which suppressed interpretation of wiki markup ! (for Polish Wikipedia at least, I don't care much whether others will have broken markup)
I don't remember it ever working differently; I was not aware that the behavior had been changed. Changing it again now would of course probably break other code...
It always worked differently.
If you don't want to mess with code too much, just insert something like: if ($language eq "pl") { $text =~ s/<pre>/<pre><nowiki>/g; $text =~ s/</pre>/</nowiki></pre>/g; }
It broke virtually all code examples on Polish Wikipedia !!!
If you want that, use:
<pre><nowiki> ... </nowiki></pre>
Some 90% of <pre> would need such change. First, it would mean lot of wasted effort. Second, <pre> on wiki has always been meant for listing code, so it makes no sense at all to use wiki markup inside <pre>. And third, <nowiki> is extremely low level markup. Introducing more low level markup is not right direction.
In future, some higher level mechanism like <code name="hello.cpp"></code> may be implemented, to get rid of <pre> and <nowiki> and give some extras like downloading examples listed in arcticle, searching for code etc. But as for now let <pre> keep its old meaning.
And don't do any more changes to markup in future without telling people about that.
I'll just point out we had a test server running for *months* with the new software and a copy of the Polish wiki precisely to check for things that might need to be fixed or changed.
Human testing is always unreliable - people take most efford to check things they suspect might be broken, like translation. They don't check things they don't expect to break.
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 12:23:08PM -0800, Brion VIBBER wrote:
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
Please restore old meaning of <pre> which suppressed interpretation of wiki markup ! (for Polish Wikipedia at least, I don't care much whether others will have broken markup)
I don't remember it ever working differently; I was not aware that the behavior had been changed. Changing it again now would of course probably break other code...
It always worked differently.
Well, it's worked the present way at least since January on the English wiki as far as I know. I'll drop a note on the English and general lists to warn about plans of changing it back.
If you don't want to mess with code too much, just insert something like: if ($language eq "pl") { $text =~ s/<pre>/<pre><nowiki>/g; $text =~ s/</pre>/</nowiki></pre>/g; }
I would much prefer that the markup work consistently the same throughout the 'pedia in all languages.
Second, <pre> on wiki has always been meant for listing code, so it makes no sense at all to use wiki markup inside <pre>. And third, <nowiki> is extremely low level markup. Introducing more low level markup is not right direction.
Hmm, come to think of it, there's no good reason to use <pre> separately -- putting a space in the first line does preformatting for wikitext.
In future, some higher level mechanism like <code name="hello.cpp"></code> may be implemented, to get rid of <pre> and <nowiki> and give some extras like downloading examples listed in arcticle, searching for code etc. But as for now let <pre> keep its old meaning.
Something like that might also be nice for citing texts.
And don't do any more changes to markup in future without telling people about that.
I'll just point out we had a test server running for *months* with the new software and a copy of the Polish wiki precisely to check for things that might need to be fixed or changed.
Human testing is always unreliable - people take most efford to check things they suspect might be broken, like translation. They don't check things they don't expect to break.
This is software -- expect everything to break. :)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:57:01PM -0800, Brion VIBBER wrote:
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
Second, <pre> on wiki has always been meant for listing code, so it makes no sense at all to use wiki markup inside <pre>. And third, <nowiki> is extremely low level markup. Introducing more low level markup is not right direction.
Hmm, come to think of it, there's no good reason to use <pre> separately -- putting a space in the first line does preformatting for wikitext.
But then it wouldn't be (copy;paste;compile)-able any more.
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:57:01PM -0800, Brion VIBBER wrote:
Hmm, come to think of it, there's no good reason to use <pre> separately -- putting a space in the first line does preformatting for wikitext.
But then it wouldn't be (copy;paste;compile)-able any more.
Right, that's a reason why you would want to use <pre> instead.
What I mean is, there's no reason to use <pre> for text that you *do* want wikicode interpreted in, since there's already a wikicode way to do it.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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