I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes:
* "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
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Nice! I like it a lot!
Have you considered a maximum column width to make text more readable on wide screens? Quick'n'ugly mockup: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23027995/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-14%20at...
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
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On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 09:26 +0100, Magnus Manske wrote:
Have you considered a maximum column width to make text more readable on wide screens? Quick'n'ugly mockup: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23027995/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-14%20at...
VectorBeta had this for a short time. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59815 for records, links, complaints.
andre
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
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I think it's because "encoding not declared".
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
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As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
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I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible.
This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that.
- Trevor
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained
access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many
hours
before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
right
of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
to
do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
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I like it and I hope it gets to the point where it can be deployed as beta.
And that right panel looks a perfect place for users to place some gadgets of their choice. That would be wonderful!
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible.
This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that.
- Trevor
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained
access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many
hours
before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
right
of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain
what's
supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter
framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
to
do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
content
* Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
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Yes, I think you may have a point, Trevor.
The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of the screen is what might be called the "bottom matter" from articles. Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content is...well, suboptimal. It's at the bottom because it's really not all that important; links to other similar articles and other Wikimedia sites is (I'm going to be honest here) fluff, not content - especially those massive templates that take the place of proper categorization. I get the visual theory behind having it there; the problem isn't really the format, it's the quality and relative importance of the information.
Risker
On 14 July 2014 16:06, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible.
This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that.
- Trevor
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained
access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many
hours
before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
right
of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain
what's
supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter
framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
to
do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
content
* Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
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On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of the screen is what might be called the "bottom matter" from articles. Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content is...well, suboptimal.
For me it was instant love. It puts the article in its widest context, inviting users to discover all what the Wikimedia community is offering about that topic. I was even wondering why the categories are not there, assuming that they will be in some form in the real prototype/beta.
It's at the bottom because it's really not all that important; links to other similar articles and other Wikimedia sites is (I'm going to be honest here) fluff, not content
Depends on what you are looking for. Readers interested precisely in the article at sight and not in its context will not even look at the right column after the initial surprise. Just like any news readers go directly to the news piece ignoring whatever else is around.
However, many (most?) users visit Wikipedia with a less precise motivation and a wider curiosity about some topic. These are also the users less likely to hit the bottom of an article, and less likely to know what & who is behind every Wikipedia article.
- especially those massive
templates that take the place of proper categorization.
Cause and consequence, perhaps? Maybe those templates became massive as a way to call the attention at the bottom of the page, where proper categories become almost invisible to the non-trained eye. The prototype shows them expanded but they could be minimized by default in the beta version. If we go forth with this design, editors will find solutions to adapt oversize templates to their new privileged position.
I'm sure Winter 1.0 can get this part right. While the previous Winter features were evolutionary (and that was good), this one is a real challenger, and this is good too.
PS: and yes, thank you very much for prototyping.
Feedback in a Spanish social news aggregator http://www.meneame.net/story/wikimedia-pone-prueba-prototipo-diseno-wikipedi...
Some relevant comments: - "Brandon is one of the most brilliant persons I ever met, and he brings us the interface of the future Wikipedia" - "thanks to this I discovered that there is not only Wikipedia, but also {{list of sister projects}}. Reading Wikinews now" - "the interface is WONDERFUL. The design is useful, clean, clear and fast. A+." - "the discussion page should have a max-width for big screens. I hope they manage to improve the current chaotic system" - "biggest problem behind mediawiki is not the interface, but the software - hard to admin, done by and for old-schoolers and you cannot change their mind. Just my opinion as sysadmin." - "the typography of the Spanish wikipedia is terrible, small and hard to read. The grammar and spelling is even worse"
As a Wikisourceror I also want to thank Brandon for taking sister projects to the light, there are so many potential readers and contributors that after ten year don't knew about their existence! And now with Wikidata all the content is going to be more easily integratable into Wikipedia. Many readers (but not editors, because they already know about them) are going to be thankful for this.
Cheers, Micru
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of the screen is what might be called the "bottom matter" from articles. Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content is...well, suboptimal.
For me it was instant love. It puts the article in its widest context, inviting users to discover all what the Wikimedia community is offering about that topic. I was even wondering why the categories are not there, assuming that they will be in some form in the real prototype/beta.
It's at the bottom because it's really not all that important; links to other similar articles and other Wikimedia sites is (I'm going to be honest here) fluff, not content
Depends on what you are looking for. Readers interested precisely in the article at sight and not in its context will not even look at the right column after the initial surprise. Just like any news readers go directly to the news piece ignoring whatever else is around.
However, many (most?) users visit Wikipedia with a less precise motivation and a wider curiosity about some topic. These are also the users less likely to hit the bottom of an article, and less likely to know what & who is behind every Wikipedia article.
- especially those massive
templates that take the place of proper categorization.
Cause and consequence, perhaps? Maybe those templates became massive as a way to call the attention at the bottom of the page, where proper categories become almost invisible to the non-trained eye. The prototype shows them expanded but they could be minimized by default in the beta version. If we go forth with this design, editors will find solutions to adapt oversize templates to their new privileged position.
I'm sure Winter 1.0 can get this part right. While the previous Winter features were evolutionary (and that was good), this one is a real challenger, and this is good too.
PS: and yes, thank you very much for prototyping.
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of the screen is what might be called the "bottom matter" from articles. Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content is...well, suboptimal.
For me it was instant love. It puts the article in its widest context, inviting users to discover all what the Wikimedia community is offering about that topic. I was even wondering why the categories are not there, assuming that they will be in some form in the real prototype/beta.
It's at the bottom because it's really not all that important; links to other similar articles and other Wikimedia sites is (I'm going to be honest here) fluff, not content
Depends on what you are looking for. Readers interested precisely in the article at sight and not in its context will not even look at the right column after the initial surprise. Just like any news readers go directly to the news piece ignoring whatever else is around.
However, many (most?) users visit Wikipedia with a less precise motivation and a wider curiosity about some topic. These are also the users less likely to hit the bottom of an article, and less likely to know what & who is behind every Wikipedia article.
- especially those massive
templates that take the place of proper categorization.
Cause and consequence, perhaps? Maybe those templates became massive as a way to call the attention at the bottom of the page, where proper categories become almost invisible to the non-trained eye. The prototype shows them expanded but they could be minimized by default in the beta version. If we go forth with this design, editors will find solutions to adapt oversize templates to their new privileged position.
I'm sure Winter 1.0 can get this part right. While the previous Winter features were evolutionary (and that was good), this one is a real challenger, and this is good too.
PS: and yes, thank you very much for prototyping.
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On 14 July 2014 21:06, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as supportive as possible. This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and understanding I think we can encourage that.
It is in fact gorgeous, and is evidently good enough to get bug reports :-)
- d.
Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
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When all the bits on the sides are actually functional *and* it works in IE, presumably :-)
On 14 July 2014 17:40, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
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This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't work correctly.
Thank you
Best
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many
hours
before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
right
of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
to
do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
content
* Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
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The source is available now. Amir, could you try setting it up on RTL in labs? בתאריך 15 ביול 2014 14:02, "Amir Ladsgroup" ladsgroup@gmail.com כתב:
This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't work correctly.
Thank you
Best
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many
hours
before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
right
of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain
what's
supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter
framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
to
do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
content
* Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
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Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go through moderation.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 08:55, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace.
I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
Risker/Anne
On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
v. 0.6.
http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire
undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).
Links to the source depots are available at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
This release adds in several major changes: * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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I have gotten said screenshot, and it matched exactly what I saw in IE 9 earlier this morning. The problem was a missing DOCTYPE, which, when added, broke a bunch of other stuff, which I have now fixed and deployed.
So it should work on IE now just fine.
I also fixed a metric ton of the issues with the responsive code, so that should be working as well.
/scramble, scramble, scramble.
On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go through moderation.
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On 15 July 2014 22:09, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
/scramble, scramble, scramble.
The curse of doing something people like!
- d.
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that?
- d.
Actually one annoyance I just found: I can't right-click on the talk page link. Is there any good reason to make this a Javascript thing rather than an ordinary link?
On 14 July 2014 23:55, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that?
- d.
On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that?
Through the magic of the new search API.
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that?
Through the magic of the new search API.
Very old API, new backend with better results :)
-Chad
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that?
Through the magic of the new search API.
If you like that, you're also going to like upcoming work from the Growth team on task suggestions for things to edit. It's powered by the same search API. :)
Dear Amir, I set up wikitest RTL and added winter to it (but I don't know why the winter doesn't connect to my database, I haven't checked it very carefully to see how that's possible) Anyway the RTL wiki is here: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitest-rtl/w/ and winter framework is accessible by this url: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikitest-rtl/w/winter/index.html?page=%D7%97%D7%95%...
Best
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles. How are you doing that?
Through the magic of the new search API.
If you like that, you're also going to like upcoming work from the Growth team on task suggestions for things to edit. It's powered by the same search API. :)
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