Dear all,

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Like with all other development, I find a need in more documentation of the plans and of the currently active things.

For example, VisualEditor has nothing to help me comprehend its code-base than the source code itself; it had only been a jamesf's line at a meeting which made me aware of the fact that the cologne blue and modern skins are now only supported by community.

Now there are some really cool beta features that only work with the vector skin. To only resource to help me is the source code. There is no UML diagram, no docs explaining which part of code does what.

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Another idea is an answer to WHY you are working on the media viewer. It is a nice experience but...

...there is a lot of pages which would make use of a do-it-without-page-reload approach, such as log-in page, edit page, history page.

...there also is a need of all sister projects in wizard tools and widgets. Currently adding an article to Wiktionary is a royal pain and I could not figure out how to add an idiom with translation, without pulling hair and spending time to find another existing Wiktionary entry which is (1) a verb, (2) an idiom, and (3) has a translation. There also are gadgets for the so-called "interactive template" use-case [1] where each developer reinvents wheel a lot and the gadgets share no code but they should.

...everything the WMF works on should have long-term impact after WMF stops working on the darn thing. The impact should be cross project.

... With this in mind I would personally encourage heavy collaboration of all teams to build a framework which lets people script the MediaWiki software including media viewer screen, log-in screens, article creation screens / wizard, an interactive thingie for working with templates [1] (taking an {{unblock}} request for example without having to memorize the template syntax).

This may need help from VisualEditor and Parsoid people; from Flow people who had spread the 'custom workflows' rumour; and YOUR help to understand that moving an interactive thingie logic from an extension onto a wiki benefits everyone, even if it makes codereview-worthy bits harder to spot (recall some people saying that none of UploadWizard's logic can sit on-wiki because of that [2])

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Gryllida/Templates/Interactive [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/UploadWizard:_scale_to_s...

Gryllida.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 20:25, Gergo Tisza wrote:

Hi all,

the Multimedia team had some discussions recently about how to make our work more transparent and more open to volunteers, and we decided to try using an open subscription mailing list for team discussions, instead of the current practice of cc-ing each member manually. These discussions are about day-to-day details of our work; sometimes feature requirements or design, sometimes technical details. The volume is typically one or two new threads per day.

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