Hello all, last week I had been in Nanjing of China for my business. I tried to access to Wikipedia, my love, of course. Wow, I found I can access on my iPad. It's quite weird. So I tried again on my notebook computer, the firewall reset the session to stop me to access Wikipedia. That's exactly what I expected. The great fire wall of China was so vulnerable. Any idea why I could access on my iPad?
Best regards Cheol
Ryu,
As far as we've been told Wikipedia access to China is open, excluding a filter for specific pages, assuming you are using HTTP and not HTTPS.
- Ryan
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, last week I had been in Nanjing of China for my business. I tried to access to Wikipedia, my love, of course. Wow, I found I can access on my iPad. It's quite weird. So I tried again on my notebook computer, the firewall reset the session to stop me to access Wikipedia. That's exactly what I expected. The great fire wall of China was so vulnerable. Any idea why I could access on my iPad?
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Thanks Ryan.
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on mobile devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the default protocol for example China? I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing behavior according to the region the access comes from?
Cheol
2013. 9. 24., 오전 11:53, Ryan Lane rlane32@gmail.com 작성:
Ryu,
As far as we've been told Wikipedia access to China is open, excluding a filter for specific pages, assuming you are using HTTP and not HTTPS.
- Ryan
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, last week I had been in Nanjing of China for my business. I tried to access to Wikipedia, my love, of course. Wow, I found I can access on my iPad. It's quite weird. So I tried again on my notebook computer, the firewall reset the session to stop me to access Wikipedia. That's exactly what I expected. The great fire wall of China was so vulnerable. Any idea why I could access on my iPad?
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on mobile devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the default protocol for example China? I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing behavior according to the region the access comes from?
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in some regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is incorrect for your area.
- Ryan
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was not. Or they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this list). You can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that page) or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see what he says.
-Jeremy
Dear Jeremy, you are right. I am back to Korea. Sorry, I cannot give you exact configuration I had in China. At this moment, I can say that I was convinced that on mobile devices I can access to Wikipedia, but I can't on desktop computers. No matter what is behind, http or https.
Cheol
2013. 9. 24., 오후 12:25, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was not. Or they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this list). You can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that page) or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see what he says.
-Jeremy _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Now I am reading
"Some users live where HTTPS is not an easy option due to explicit blocking by government. At the request of these communities, we made an explicit exclusion for users from those particular countries. Simply, users from China and Iran will not be required to use HTTPS to log in, nor to view any Wikimedia project site."
I think something wrong with this.
In China, I experienced to be redirected to https without seeing Main_Page. So I had no opportunity to login. I suppose casual users in China would have no chance to see the front page and will not know http is available. They will think Wikipedia is totally blocked by the great firewall.
I feel we need to fix something for users in China regarding https.
Cheol
2013. 9. 24., 오후 1:35, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com 작성:
Dear Jeremy, you are right. I am back to Korea. Sorry, I cannot give you exact configuration I had in China. At this moment, I can say that I was convinced that on mobile devices I can access to Wikipedia, but I can't on desktop computers. No matter what is behind, http or https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 12:25, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was not. Or they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this list). You can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that page) or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see what he says.
-Jeremy _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
I'm in Shanghai. I can access zhwiki on both mobile device and pc and I am not redirected to https by default.
A user in Dalian reported on zhwiki he can access by https, which I think it's a just exception.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
Now I am reading
"Some users live where HTTPS is not an easy option due to explicit blocking by government. At the request of these communities, we made an explicit exclusion for users from those particular countries. Simply, users from China and Iran will not be required to use HTTPS to log in, nor to view any Wikimedia project site."
I think something wrong with this.
In China, I experienced to be redirected to https without seeing Main_Page. So I had no opportunity to login. I suppose casual users in China would have no chance to see the front page and will not know http is available. They will think Wikipedia is totally blocked by the great firewall.
I feel we need to fix something for users in China regarding https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 1:35, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com 작성:
Dear Jeremy, you are right. I am back to Korea. Sorry, I cannot give you exact
configuration I had in China.
At this moment, I can say that I was convinced that on mobile devices I
can access to Wikipedia, but I can't on desktop computers. No matter what is behind, http or https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 12:25, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on
mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was
not. Or
they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this list).
You
can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that
page)
or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see
what he
says.
-Jeremy _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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In China，can chage hosts file, access wp via https.
Additional, mobile network and internet are different, different mobile operators are not the same for GFW. For example, China Mobile can't access instagram， but China Unicom can access instagram Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ My blog: http://shizhao.org twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao
[[zh:User:Shizhao]]
2013/9/24 Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com:
Now I am reading
"Some users live where HTTPS is not an easy option due to explicit blocking by government. At the request of these communities, we made an explicit exclusion for users from those particular countries. Simply, users from China and Iran will not be required to use HTTPS to log in, nor to view any Wikimedia project site."
I think something wrong with this.
In China, I experienced to be redirected to https without seeing Main_Page. So I had no opportunity to login. I suppose casual users in China would have no chance to see the front page and will not know http is available. They will think Wikipedia is totally blocked by the great firewall.
I feel we need to fix something for users in China regarding https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 1:35, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com 작성:
Dear Jeremy, you are right. I am back to Korea. Sorry, I cannot give you exact configuration I had in China. At this moment, I can say that I was convinced that on mobile devices I can access to Wikipedia, but I can't on desktop computers. No matter what is behind, http or https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 12:25, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it is not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was not. Or they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this list). You can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that page) or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see what he says.
-Jeremy _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Sep 23, 2013 9:47 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
Now I am reading
"Some users live where HTTPS is not an easy option due to explicit
blocking by government. At the request of these communities, we made an explicit exclusion for users from those particular countries. Simply, users from China and Iran will not be required to use HTTPS to log in, nor to view any Wikimedia project site."
I think something wrong with this.
In China, I experienced to be redirected to https without seeing
Main_Page. So I had no opportunity to login. I suppose casual users in China would have no chance to see the front page and will not know http is available. They will think Wikipedia is totally blocked by the great firewall.
It would gave been hard to tell, but we're you logged in already on your laptop when you connected? If you had logged in while in Korea, then traveled to China, I can see how you would have experienced this. But we never redirect to https for logged out users.
Also, can you confirm you're not using httpseverywhere?
I feel we need to fix something for users in China regarding https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 1:35, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com 작성:
Dear Jeremy, you are right. I am back to Korea. Sorry, I cannot give you exact
configuration I had in China.
At this moment, I can say that I was convinced that on mobile devices I
can access to Wikipedia, but I can't on desktop computers. No matter what is behind, http or https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 12:25, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on
mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it
is
not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was
not. Or
they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as
the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this
list). You
can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that
page)
or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see
what he
says.
-Jeremy _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Dear Chris, now I see. Thanks! So I need to know to get rid of the cookie that redirect to https when I travel to China. It is all clear.
Cheol
2013. 9. 24., 오후 10:48, Chris Steipp csteipp@wikimedia.org 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 9:47 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
Now I am reading
"Some users live where HTTPS is not an easy option due to explicit
blocking by government. At the request of these communities, we made an explicit exclusion for users from those particular countries. Simply, users from China and Iran will not be required to use HTTPS to log in, nor to view any Wikimedia project site."
I think something wrong with this.
In China, I experienced to be redirected to https without seeing
Main_Page. So I had no opportunity to login. I suppose casual users in China would have no chance to see the front page and will not know http is available. They will think Wikipedia is totally blocked by the great firewall.
It would gave been hard to tell, but we're you logged in already on your laptop when you connected? If you had logged in while in Korea, then traveled to China, I can see how you would have experienced this. But we never redirect to https for logged out users.
Also, can you confirm you're not using httpseverywhere?
I feel we need to fix something for users in China regarding https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 1:35, Ryu Cheol rcheol@gmail.com 작성:
Dear Jeremy, you are right. I am back to Korea. Sorry, I cannot give you exact
configuration I had in China.
At this moment, I can say that I was convinced that on mobile devices I
can access to Wikipedia, but I can't on desktop computers. No matter what is behind, http or https.
Cheol
- 24., 오후 12:25, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com 작성:
On Sep 23, 2013 11:09 PM, "Ryu Cheol" rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
On iPad, I could not check it is http or https. You means that on
mobile
devices such as iPad, it does not redirect to https. I feel a bit, it
is
not consistent.
If it's not consistent then that's a probably bug to be fixed. Can you provide more details and try to eliminate any variables? e.g. maybe one device had a forceHTTPS cookie set or one was logged in and one was
not. Or
they were using different uplinks.
In the region which https is not allowed, could we keep the http as
the
default protocol for example China?
I thought I totally lost the access. I ask we could change directing
behavior according to the region the access comes from?
This has been discussed many times (including many times on this
list). You
can catch up with the meta summary[0] (or links at the bottom of that
page)
or the archives of this list.
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/HTTPS#Excluded_Countries
Ryan wrote:
Can you email me privately and let me know what your IP address is? We actually do have something in place to not redirect logged-in users in
some
regions (such as China). Maybe the geoip database we are using is
incorrect
for your area.
I got the impression that the trip to China was finished; we'll see
what he
says.
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