Hello,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the English Wikipedia. They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but just changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit more modern. The discussion can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_frame... _for_main_page
One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the framework with a wide variety of browsers. A lot of the opposition to it that I could see came from the lack of testing. I feel like I remember us discussing here previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we have something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to help them out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing manually.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology
PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D This would help the mobile version a lot.
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com wrote:
Hello,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the English Wikipedia. They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but just changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit more modern. The discussion can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_frame... _for_main_page
One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the framework with a wide variety of browsers. A lot of the opposition to it that I could see came from the lack of testing. I feel like I remember us discussing here previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we have something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to help them out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing manually.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology
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zhwiki main page is already div-based :) On Apr 16, 2014 4:34 AM, "Jon Robson" jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D This would help the mobile version a lot.
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com wrote:
Hello,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
English
Wikipedia. They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but
just
changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit
more
modern. The discussion can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_frame...
_for_main_page
One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
framework
with a wide variety of browsers. A lot of the opposition to it that I
could see
came from the lack of testing. I feel like I remember us discussing here previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we
have
something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
help them
out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing manually.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Liangent liangent@gmail.com wrote:
zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)
On Apr 15, 2014 11:30 PM, "Steven Walling" steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Liangent liangent@gmail.com wrote:
zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)
It would be great if it were possible if some wmf effort could go in to this. Going in there and asking where we could use help would be a nice step in the perceived situation where the wmf forces things on the projects. Offering help with browser testing as well as offering tips on the design (but not pushing them) could win many friends.
Obviously, everybody will hate any and all change, but that's a different issue.
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On 15-04-2014 23:29, Steven Walling wrote:
zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)
Hmm...
They copied Pretzel's 2013 MP proposal and removed all the fluff. It's basically two floating column divs. My design uses flex boxes... now _that's_ sexy!
But yes, being able to test in all browsers would be awesome. Browsershots isn't much help anymore.
Regards,
I wonder if there would be demand for a modernized equivalent of browsershots.
And yes it would be exceedingly useful. On Apr 15, 2014 2:54 PM, "Erwin Dokter" erwin@darcoury.nl wrote:
On 15-04-2014 23:29, Steven Walling wrote:
zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)
Hmm...
They copied Pretzel's 2013 MP proposal and removed all the fluff. It's basically two floating column divs. My design uses flex boxes... now _that's_ sexy!
But yes, being able to test in all browsers would be awesome. Browsershots isn't much help anymore.
Regards,
Erwin Dokter
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Erwin Dokter erwin@darcoury.nl wrote:
But yes, being able to test in all browsers would be awesome. Browsershots isn't much help anymore.
WMF QA team could build something like that with relatively little effort, but as far as I know, there are a lot of services like that already available. What is the problem with browsershots.org and similar services, like browserstack.com?
This is an example for English Wikipedia Homepage:
http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a1c519ff2e48de558f4d44922c04a846acac...
Željko
On 16-04-2014 12:14, Željko Filipin wrote:
What is the problem with browsershots.org and similar services, like browserstack.com?
Browsershots is terribly slow and always report "too many requests for this domain", and Borwserstack is a paid service (they basically all are); I'm not shilling out 30 bucks a months for the occasional testing.
Regards,
On 2014-04-16, 4:48 AM, Erwin Dokter wrote:
Borwserstack is a paid service (they basically all are); I'm not shilling out 30 bucks a months for the occasional testing.
Regards,
Same here, they really should consider introducing some sort of pay-per-use minutes.
~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/]
Le 16/04/2014 12:14, Željko Filipin a écrit :
This is an example for English Wikipedia Homepage:
http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a1c519ff2e48de558f4d44922c04a846acac...
And another run using the proposed layout at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Edokter/Main_Page2?withCSS=MediaWiki:User...
Results:
http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a3b729126aa6bb14bc0f1e1c44d62879ba0b...
Polish Wikipedia's (plwiki) main page is also all div-based :)
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D This would help the mobile version a lot.
For mobile version: I created [[zh:User:Liangent/首页]] with wikitext {{ :{{MediaWiki:MainPage}} }} (comparison: [[en:User:Liangent/Main Page]]) and found https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liangent/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5quite mobile usable. I feel it's even possible to disable any special handling of main page contents on zhwiki (which caused https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63963 btw).
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com wrote:
Hello,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
English
Wikipedia. They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but
just
changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit
more
modern. The discussion can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_frame...
_for_main_page
One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
framework
with a wide variety of browsers. A lot of the opposition to it that I
could see
came from the lack of testing. I feel like I remember us discussing here previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we
have
something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
help them
out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing manually.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology
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looks the case to me liagent! you should get rid if the special casing! :)
Would be great if the images could be centred on mobile... On 17 Apr 2014 07:08, "Liangent" liangent@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D This would help the mobile version a lot.
For mobile version: I created [[zh:User:Liangent/首页]] with wikitext {{ :{{MediaWiki:MainPage}} }} (comparison: [[en:User:Liangent/Main Page]]) and found https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liangent/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5quite mobile usable. I feel it's even possible to disable any special handling of main page contents on zhwiki (which caused https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63963 btw).
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com wrote:
Hello,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
English
Wikipedia. They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly,
but
just
changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit
more
modern. The discussion can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_frame...
_for_main_page
One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
framework
with a wide variety of browsers. A lot of the opposition to it that I
could see
came from the lack of testing. I feel like I remember us discussing
here
previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we
have
something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
help them
out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the
testing
manually.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology
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I quite like it as well. That should be simple enough to do...
Brian/NF
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
looks the case to me liagent! you should get rid if the special casing! :)
Would be great if the images could be centred on mobile... On 17 Apr 2014 07:08, "Liangent" liangent@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D This would help the mobile version a lot.
For mobile version: I created [[zh:User:Liangent/首页]] with wikitext {{ :{{MediaWiki:MainPage}} }} (comparison: [[en:User:Liangent/Main Page]])
and
found https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liangent/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5quite mobile usable. I feel it's even possible to disable any special handling of main page contents on zhwiki (which caused https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63963 btw).
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott datzrott@alizeepathology.com wrote:
Hello,
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
English
Wikipedia. They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly,
but
just
changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little
bit
more
modern. The discussion can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_frame...
_for_main_page
One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
framework
with a wide variety of browsers. A lot of the opposition to it that
I
could see
came from the lack of testing. I feel like I remember us discussing
here
previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we
have
something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
help them
out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the
testing
manually.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott Computer Specialist Alizee Pathology
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