+external mobile and wikitech
Shoot. I meant to send this the external list. For those of you just joining us, we recently got an email from google letting us know that some of our pages are now failing the mobile-friendly test, which has an adverse impact on our search results. It appears that most of our pages are also blocking style info.
Google doesn't offer much insight into penalties, but if they're sending us the email then it is or will have some impact. I'd like to see if we can better understand the other side of the equation- what is cost of fixing it? I think Jon's questions below are the ones to start with.
-J
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's all in the report. We block w/ in robots.txt always have.
There have been a bunch of changes to improve performance of the site overall which might have led to that. Mailing this to the public mailing list wikitech would give you a better idea.
Our site /is/ mobile friendly it's just we tell google not to load styles from w/load.php so no need to panic.
The question is what is the penalty of us failing this tool? Does it impact our google search rankings?
Fix is trivial.. Update robots.txt but first the question is why are we blocking scripts and styles on that url? On 29 May 2015 1:17 pm, "Jon Katz" jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Readership team and broader community, Any changes we might have recently made to cause this warning to appear about googlebot not being able to access our site? I consider this to be a very serious issue. The examples below are not mobile, but same issue applies when you try an en.m. version of the pages.
Best, Jon
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wes Moran wmoran@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM Subject: Mobile Firendly To: Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org Cc: Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
Jon,
Google notified us of the followin...
"We recently noticed that there was a change with how you embed CSS & JS which results in us not being able to use the CSS & JS to recognize what the page looks like. That's making some of your pages fail the mobile-friendly-test, for example. You used to load CSS & JS from bits.wikimedia.org, but now they're loaded through /w/load.php?... directly from the Wikipedia host, where that path is blocked by robots.txt.
You can see how we render the pages with Fetch as Google in Webmaster Tools / Search Console, you can also see most of that with the test-page at:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen...
Some of the pages still pass the test there (example https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZ%25C3%25BCrich), but the CSS is broken there too since it's blocked. "
Any ideas what can be causing this?
Regards, Wes
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Since Brandon's email a minute ago crossed mine in the ether and did not make it to external lists, I am pasting it here:
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brandon Black bblack@wikimedia.org wrote: We've merged up https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/214705/1 to address this, and I've purged the caches to ensure the update is fully live already. It should address the issue, assuming that the block on RL's /w/load.php entry point was the only part of the problem.
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
+external mobile and wikitech
Shoot. I meant to send this the external list. For those of you just joining us, we recently got an email from google letting us know that some of our pages are now failing the mobile-friendly test, which has an adverse impact on our search results. It appears that most of our pages are also blocking style info.
Google doesn't offer much insight into penalties, but if they're sending us the email then it is or will have some impact. I'd like to see if we can better understand the other side of the equation- what is cost of fixing it? I think Jon's questions below are the ones to start with.
-J
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's all in the report. We block w/ in robots.txt always have.
There have been a bunch of changes to improve performance of the site overall which might have led to that. Mailing this to the public mailing list wikitech would give you a better idea.
Our site /is/ mobile friendly it's just we tell google not to load styles from w/load.php so no need to panic.
The question is what is the penalty of us failing this tool? Does it impact our google search rankings?
Fix is trivial.. Update robots.txt but first the question is why are we blocking scripts and styles on that url? On 29 May 2015 1:17 pm, "Jon Katz" jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Readership team and broader community, Any changes we might have recently made to cause this warning to appear about googlebot not being able to access our site? I consider this to be a very serious issue. The examples below are not mobile, but same issue applies when you try an en.m. version of the pages.
Best, Jon
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wes Moran wmoran@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM Subject: Mobile Firendly To: Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org Cc: Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
Jon,
Google notified us of the followin...
"We recently noticed that there was a change with how you embed CSS & JS which results in us not being able to use the CSS & JS to recognize what the page looks like. That's making some of your pages fail the mobile-friendly-test, for example. You used to load CSS & JS from bits.wikimedia.org, but now they're loaded through /w/load.php?... directly from the Wikipedia host, where that path is blocked by robots.txt.
You can see how we render the pages with Fetch as Google in Webmaster Tools / Search Console, you can also see most of that with the test-page at:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen...
Some of the pages still pass the test there (example https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZ%25C3%25BCrich), but the CSS is broken there too since it's blocked. "
Any ideas what can be causing this?
Regards, Wes
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Hi I think it is because it blocks most styles and shows plan white but blocks out most colors.
On Friday, 29 May 2015, 21:58, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Since Brandon's email a minute ago crossed mine in the ether and did not make it to external lists, I am pasting it here:
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brandon Black bblack@wikimedia.org wrote: We've merged up https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/214705/1 to address this, and I've purged the caches to ensure the update is fully live already. It should address the issue, assuming that the block on RL's /w/load.php entry point was the only part of the problem.
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
+external mobile and wikitech
Shoot. I meant to send this the external list. For those of you just joining us, we recently got an email from google letting us know that some of our pages are now failing the mobile-friendly test, which has an adverse impact on our search results. It appears that most of our pages are also blocking style info.
Google doesn't offer much insight into penalties, but if they're sending us the email then it is or will have some impact. I'd like to see if we can better understand the other side of the equation- what is cost of fixing it? I think Jon's questions below are the ones to start with.
-J
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's all in the report. We block w/ in robots.txt always have.
There have been a bunch of changes to improve performance of the site overall which might have led to that. Mailing this to the public mailing list wikitech would give you a better idea.
Our site /is/ mobile friendly it's just we tell google not to load styles from w/load.php so no need to panic.
The question is what is the penalty of us failing this tool? Does it impact our google search rankings?
Fix is trivial.. Update robots.txt but first the question is why are we blocking scripts and styles on that url? On 29 May 2015 1:17 pm, "Jon Katz" jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Readership team and broader community, Any changes we might have recently made to cause this warning to appear about googlebot not being able to access our site? I consider this to be a very serious issue. The examples below are not mobile, but same issue applies when you try an en.m. version of the pages.
Best, Jon
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wes Moran wmoran@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM Subject: Mobile Firendly To: Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org Cc: Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
Jon,
Google notified us of the followin...
"We recently noticed that there was a change with how you embed CSS & JS which results in us not being able to use the CSS & JS to recognize what the page looks like. That's making some of your pages fail the mobile-friendly-test, for example. You used to load CSS & JS from bits.wikimedia.org, but now they're loaded through /w/load.php?... directly from the Wikipedia host, where that path is blocked by robots.txt.
You can see how we render the pages with Fetch as Google in Webmaster Tools / Search Console, you can also see most of that with the test-page at:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen...
Some of the pages still pass the test there (example https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZ%25C3%25BCrich), but the CSS is broken there too since it's blocked. "
Any ideas what can be causing this?
Regards, Wes
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Already fixed by Brandon and Ori: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/214705/
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
+external mobile and wikitech
Shoot. I meant to send this the external list. For those of you just joining us, we recently got an email from google letting us know that some of our pages are now failing the mobile-friendly test, which has an adverse impact on our search results. It appears that most of our pages are also blocking style info.
Google doesn't offer much insight into penalties, but if they're sending us the email then it is or will have some impact. I'd like to see if we can better understand the other side of the equation- what is cost of fixing it? I think Jon's questions below are the ones to start with.
-J
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's all in the report. We block w/ in robots.txt always have.
There have been a bunch of changes to improve performance of the site overall which might have led to that. Mailing this to the public mailing list wikitech would give you a better idea.
Our site /is/ mobile friendly it's just we tell google not to load styles from w/load.php so no need to panic.
The question is what is the penalty of us failing this tool? Does it impact our google search rankings?
Fix is trivial.. Update robots.txt but first the question is why are we blocking scripts and styles on that url? On 29 May 2015 1:17 pm, "Jon Katz" jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Readership team and broader community, Any changes we might have recently made to cause this warning to appear about googlebot not being able to access our site? I consider this to be a very serious issue. The examples below are not mobile, but same issue applies when you try an en.m. version of the pages.
Best, Jon
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wes Moran wmoran@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM Subject: Mobile Firendly To: Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org Cc: Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
Jon,
Google notified us of the followin...
"We recently noticed that there was a change with how you embed CSS & JS which results in us not being able to use the CSS & JS to recognize what the page looks like. That's making some of your pages fail the mobile-friendly-test, for example. You used to load CSS & JS from bits.wikimedia.org, but now they're loaded through /w/load.php?... directly from the Wikipedia host, where that path is blocked by robots.txt.
You can see how we render the pages with Fetch as Google in Webmaster Tools / Search Console, you can also see most of that with the test-page at:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen...
Some of the pages still pass the test there (example https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZ%25C3%25BCrich), but the CSS is broken there too since it's blocked. "
Any ideas what can be causing this?
Regards, Wes
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Hmm. Why would we block robots there?
Pine On May 29, 2015 1:55 PM, "Jon Katz" jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
+external mobile and wikitech
Shoot. I meant to send this the external list. For those of you just joining us, we recently got an email from google letting us know that some of our pages are now failing the mobile-friendly test, which has an adverse impact on our search results. It appears that most of our pages are also blocking style info.
Google doesn't offer much insight into penalties, but if they're sending us the email then it is or will have some impact. I'd like to see if we can better understand the other side of the equation- what is cost of fixing it? I think Jon's questions below are the ones to start with.
-J
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's all in the report. We block w/ in robots.txt always have.
There have been a bunch of changes to improve performance of the site overall which might have led to that. Mailing this to the public mailing list wikitech would give you a better idea.
Our site /is/ mobile friendly it's just we tell google not to load styles from w/load.php so no need to panic.
The question is what is the penalty of us failing this tool? Does it impact our google search rankings?
Fix is trivial.. Update robots.txt but first the question is why are we blocking scripts and styles on that url? On 29 May 2015 1:17 pm, "Jon Katz" jkatz@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Readership team and broader community, Any changes we might have recently made to cause this warning to appear about googlebot not being able to access our site? I consider this to be a very serious issue. The examples below are not mobile, but same issue applies when you try an en.m. version of the pages.
Best, Jon
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wes Moran wmoran@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM Subject: Mobile Firendly To: Jon Katz jkatz@wikimedia.org Cc: Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
Jon,
Google notified us of the followin...
"We recently noticed that there was a change with how you embed CSS & JS which results in us not being able to use the CSS & JS to recognize what the page looks like. That's making some of your pages fail the mobile-friendly-test, for example. You used to load CSS & JS from bits.wikimedia.org, but now they're loaded through /w/load.php?... directly from the Wikipedia host, where that path is blocked by robots.txt.
You can see how we render the pages with Fetch as Google in Webmaster Tools / Search Console, you can also see most of that with the test-page at:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen...
Some of the pages still pass the test there (example https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZ%25C3%25BCrich), but the CSS is broken there too since it's blocked. "
Any ideas what can be causing this?
Regards, Wes
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W dniu piątek, 29 maja 2015 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com napisał(a):
Hmm. Why would we block robots there?
We don't. We disallowed /w/, because (quoting from doc comments) "Friendly, low-speed bots are welcome viewing article pages, but not dynamically-generated pages please.", and that accidentally caught /w/load.php, which until recently was loaded from a different domain.
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