At 17:49 +0000 7/1/07, Virgil Ierubino wrote:
To follow up some of the replies:
I'm not suggesting WYSIWYG. I don't like Wysiwyg personnally, I think it makes content editing more difficult and less clear.
My point in its simplest form was that there ARE ways of doing VERY funky stuff. And I don't mean flashing animations, I mean stuff that actually makes MediaWiki run better, be easier to use, attract more users, etc.
Compatibility isn't that much of an issue because:
- The features can be opt-in via user preferences (could even be as simple
as selecting one of 3 modes, or something)
- This kind of funky stuff IS actually very stable, and can even detect the
browser it's being viewed in and turn itself off.
- Most people CAN run it without problems.
For the Somalians without Dell Dimensions, (interesting example!) there's always the normal Wikipedia (before turning on these options), CDs, DVDs and Print Encyclopedias.
Well, I am user in the UK and I have mobile phone. I often edit Mediawiki based wikis on the phone. Just basic stuff.
If lack of developers and money is the only problem then why not be more WIKI about it?
Money pays for servers. Developers work for nothing.
Call to the Wikimedian community for volunteer coders to help improve MediaWiki. Of course this is a lot more complex than I make it sound, but the point is that somewhere out there will be a professional AJAX coder willing to code free for Wikimedia. I know that if I knew the language, I'd do it.
AJAX? Are you serious? Most of these interfaces are way beyond what Wikipedia calls for.
I have had one request from a wiki I run for a local history group - a spell checker. Everything else they like (the group had TWiki experience from another project).
Anyway, like somebody else, feel free to contribute...
Gordon Joly schreef:
At 17:49 +0000 7/1/07, Virgil Ierubino wrote:
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If lack of developers and money is the only problem then why not be more WIKI about it?
Money pays for servers. Developers work for nothing.
Hoi, You would be surprised how many developers make a living programming and maintaining MediaWiki. It is also very much NOT according to the philosophy of the Free Software Foundation that programmers should not be paid. They are entitled to all the money they can earn.
I would also not want to say that our volunteer developers work for nothing.. They work to make a difference, and they do. The thing is there are "demands" for all kinds of functionality and much of this does not materialise. It does not happen because there are too few developers. It happens because they are volunteers too and they do what they like to do (and who would blame them?). The big projects that are wished for take a LOT of time and it helps a lot when the work can be done in a limited timespan as it makes the work more effective and economic.
So please, there are many big projects that the WMF wants to develop. They do not happen because there are no developers. Given the problems raising sufficient funds, we are not able to do the things that were planned in the way we hoped we were able to.
Thanks, GerardM
At 21:37 +0100 7/1/07, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Gordon Joly schreef:
At 17:49 +0000 7/1/07, Virgil Ierubino wrote:
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If lack of developers and money is the only problem then why not be more WIKI about it?
Money pays for servers. Developers work for nothing.
Hoi, You would be surprised how many developers make a living programming and maintaining MediaWiki. It is also very much NOT according to the philosophy of the Free Software Foundation that programmers should not be paid. They are entitled to all the money they can earn.
I meant that the bulk of the Mediawiki code was written by developers who were not paid to write Mediawiki code. I assume that they had paid employment.
I would also not want to say that our volunteer developers work for nothing.. They work to make a difference, and they do. The thing is there are "demands" for all kinds of functionality and much of this does not materialise. It does not happen because there are too few developers. It happens because they are volunteers too and they do what they like to do (and who would blame them?). The big projects that are wished for take a LOT of time and it helps a lot when the work can be done in a limited timespan as it makes the work more effective and economic.
So please, there are many big projects that the WMF wants to develop. They do not happen because there are no developers. Given the problems raising sufficient funds, we are not able to do the things that were planned in the way we hoped we were able to.
Thanks, GerardM
OK.
Gordo
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