On Monday 07 April 2003 05:00 am, Brion Vibber wrote:
Yes, that would be more than enough to host the mail (and perhaps the backup dumps?). Best talk to Jimbo and Jason about transporting and setting up hardware.
Cool. Do what you want/can with the hardware but 4 gigs for the /home directory for mailing lists archive and Wikipedia backups would be a bit tight, no?
As Lee has suggested, it might also be good to have some stuff at a separate provider in case the hosting is knocked out altogether.
I think that would be the best solution - esp given Jason's email about space and IP address constraints. We really should reserve all the space and IPs we can get for production boxes used for webserver and database functions.
It would also be great if this could be used at piclab as Lee suggested since that would save me 30 bucks in shipping (Lee and I live about 30 minutes from each other) and the mail server would be easy for Lee to fix if needed. How much bandwidth would all the mailing lists suck anyway? IMO it would be best to keep them all on the same box wherever they end-up.
What, you didn't enjoy your nice relaxing 22-hour break from routine? :)
If it weren't for Wikipedia downtime/slowness I would rarely get a chance to clean my apartment, do laundry or finish school work :-)
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
PS I just want to thank Jason for driving the 200 miles and spending the time needed (on a Saturday!) to fix the Wikipedia server. Thank you Jason!
On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 22:59, Daniel Mayer wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2003 05:00 am, Brion Vibber wrote:
Yes, that would be more than enough to host the mail (and perhaps the backup dumps?). Best talk to Jimbo and Jason about transporting and setting up hardware.
Cool. Do what you want/can with the hardware but 4 gigs for the /home directory for mailing lists archive and Wikipedia backups would be a bit tight, no?
Presently, mailing list archives come to 450 megs, while complete database dumps total just shy of a gig. It would be trivial to toss in another hard drive if/when needed.
It would also be great if this could be used at piclab as Lee suggested since that would save me 30 bucks in shipping (Lee and I live about 30 minutes from each other) and the mail server would be easy for Lee to fix if needed.
If that's something Lee is willing to set up, that sounds great to me. So long as there's not a major meteor strike in the Pacific that takes out the whole of California. :) I don't know if Lee would want to be hosting the wiki backup dumps on his line for public download, though; they're serious bandwidth suckers.
How much bandwidth would all the mailing lists suck anyway? IMO it would be best to keep them all on the same box wherever they end-up.
As a very very rough estimate, about half a gigabyte per month. (Taken by multiplying the size of the March 2003 list archives for the big 3 wikien-l, wikipedia-l, and wikitech-l by their numbers of subscribers, and padding the resulting figure of ~380MB.) Assume growth.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
It would also be great if this could be used at piclab as Lee suggested since that would save me 30 bucks in shipping (Lee and I live about 30 minutes from each other)...
Alas, /I/ live in Sacramento, but Piclab is a rackmount in San Antonio, TX. Pretty much all ISPs are just rack farms these days; an actual PC is not something they can easily accommodate. But I do have broadband and lots of disk space at home, so I might be able to mirror some backup there, but my home machines won't work as servers.
I'm sure we'll come up with a system that works, though.
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