On 27-01-2003, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote thusly : Can I request "'''PageTitle'''" to appear in the box as an option ? Regards, Kpjas.

On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:50:49 -0800 (PST), Anthere <anthere5=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org> wrote: A good idea - that will help me avoid creating articles without being logged in (I lose my login because I am upgrading my browser (a beta) frequently). -- Richard Grevers

Erik Moeller wrote: I don't think the Linux people will be overjoyous - selecting the text means copying it... Magnus

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:45:09AM +0100, Erik Moeller wrote: I'm Linux person and I really don't like it. Real men use PRIMARY for copying, not CLIPBOARD ;-) Option to start with empty box is the best solution. Or even better always start with empty box and put such text over it.

How about this: if you click on a link to a non-existing page, the same thing happens as if you type a non-existing article URL into your browser, i.e. you get a page that says "(there is currently no text in this page)". (Of course we want to change that text to a friendlier one, see below.) Then if you click on Edit, the edit box shows up, with the initial text set to '''ArticleTitle''' in the main name space, and left empty in other namespaces. That doesn't seem to take much longer for power users: they have to do one additional click, but save the removing of the initial message that's currently necessary. In the best of all possible worlds, we could even have a user option that brings you directly to the empty edit box, bypassing the message. It also requires a conscious decision on the part of newbies to start editing; they can never end up with an edit box by mistake anymore. For the message, I suggest: This article doesn't exist yet. To write an encyclopedia article about this topic, hit "Edit this page" and type away. Alternatively, use your browser's "Back" button. in the main name space (note the word "encyclopedia" to clue in people who don't know where they are) and This page doesn't exist yet. To create it, hit "Edit this page" and type away. Alternatively, use your browser's "Back" button. in other name spaces. Axel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

On lun, 2003-01-27 at 16:11, tarquin wrote: I'm well aware of that, as I wrote it. :) That's not editbox text, but a full page with links to what you oughta meant. More work to set up, requires a second click to edit any page if it's to serve the same function (help for people who click an edit link without knowing what they've gotten into), and is even more likely to tick people off for being too intrusive -- not that many have bothered to comment on it. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Brion Vibber wrote: Sorry to double post, but rereading I think there's been a misunderstanding. The first part of that meta page is a suggestion for what is seen when the the user enters a Wikipedia URL for a page that does not exist, thus: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/fghfgh it's for people who follow a dead link from another site, not for our own internal ghost links.