Hi,
A discussion has started on-wiki about a global watchlist, and other related improvements to the watchlist feature.
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
Improving a feature as used and central as the watchlist has the potential of drastically improving the users' experience, but is also likely to cause an outcry if proper research isn't done in advance, given that everyone has their own workflow.
One comment that came up during the discussion was that people didn't want to spend time working on research, specifications & prioritization of features unless they had some sort of guarantee that their work wouldn't just be ignored and rot in a corner because nobody's interested in actually implementing the changes. I think this is a fair and understandable request: nobody wants their hard work to go to waste.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
So, I have two questions: * Does this make sense? * Are you interested in improving the watchlist feature within, say, the next 6 months?
More information:
Discussion: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Watchlist_wishlist Draft product page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Watchlist_wishlist
-- Guillaume Paumier
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist feature. If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj... might help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
On 2013-05-06 1:31 PM, "Quim Gil" qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist feature.
If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj... help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
-bawolff
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
Patchsets for watchlist are waiting for review for too long. The GSOC project: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16419/ other patchsets waiting for review: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38743/ https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53964/ + https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53968/
Is there anyone who is responsible for reviewing patches for watchlist?
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013-05-06 1:31 PM, "Quim Gil" qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist feature.
If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj... help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
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Brian Wolff <bawolff <at> gmail.com> writes:
On 2013-05-06 1:31 PM, "Quim Gil" <qgil <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist
feature.
If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj ectsmight
help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
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Hi Folks,
Last year, I worked on making improvements to the watchlist feature as my project for GSoC. The changes I made are still available as an unmerged change in Gerrit. [1] I'm glad to see that the project is starting to gain momentum. A major limitation of my efforts last year was that, under GSoC rules, I was the only developer who was allowed to code for the project. Now that other developers are looking to work on the project, I think that a project of this size has a much better chance of succeeding. Watchlist improvements as a project is extremely susceptible to feature creep, and unless there is a well-defined plan from the start, it risks getting shelved entirely. A blog of my progress last summer is available for ideas. [2]
I'd recommend fixing feature request bugs as a large coordinated overhaul of the watchlist, rather than a piecemeal approach that may result in duplicative code or work that gets scrapped soon after it is finished.
I may be unavailable intermittently for the next 6 weeks, but I should be able to help out from the middle of June until early September.
-Aaron
[1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16419/ [2] http://mw-watchlist.tumblr.com/
On 05/06/2013 05:26 PM, Aaron Pramana wrote:
Brian Wolff <bawolff <at> gmail.com> writes:
On 2013-05-06 1:31 PM, "Quim Gil" <qgil <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist
feature.
If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj ectsmight
help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
-bawolff _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Hi Folks,
Last year, I worked on making improvements to the watchlist feature as my project for GSoC. The changes I made are still available as an unmerged change in Gerrit. [1] I'm glad to see that the project is starting to gain momentum. A major limitation of my efforts last year was that, under GSoC rules, I was the only developer who was allowed to code for the project.
Aaron, can you point me to that rule? I am nearly certain that you are wrong.
Now that other developers are looking to work on the project, I think that a project of this size has a much better chance of succeeding. Watchlist improvements as a project is extremely susceptible to feature creep, and unless there is a well-defined plan from the start, it risks getting shelved entirely. A blog of my progress last summer is available for ideas. [2]
I'd recommend fixing feature request bugs as a large coordinated overhaul of the watchlist, rather than a piecemeal approach that may result in duplicative code or work that gets scrapped soon after it is finished.
I may be unavailable intermittently for the next 6 weeks, but I should be able to help out from the middle of June until early September.
-Aaron
[1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16419/ [2] http://mw-watchlist.tumblr.com/
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+1
Such a rule would seem rather misguided...
-bawolff On 2013-05-06 6:58 PM, "Sumana Harihareswara" sumanah@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:26 PM, Aaron Pramana wrote:
Brian Wolff <bawolff <at> gmail.com> writes:
On 2013-05-06 1:31 PM, "Quim Gil" <qgil <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist
feature.
If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever
appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj
ectsmight
help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
-bawolff _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Hi Folks,
Last year, I worked on making improvements to the watchlist feature as my project for GSoC. The changes I made are still available as an unmerged change in Gerrit. [1] I'm glad to see that the project is starting to
gain
momentum. A major limitation of my efforts last year was that, under GSoC rules, I was the only developer who was allowed to code for the project.
Aaron, can you point me to that rule? I am nearly certain that you are wrong.
Now that other developers are looking to work on the project, I think that a project of this size has a much better chance of succeeding. Watchlist improvements as a project is extremely susceptible to feature creep, and unless there is a well-defined plan from the start, it risks getting
shelved
entirely. A blog of my progress last summer is available for ideas. [2]
I'd recommend fixing feature request bugs as a large coordinated
overhaul of
the watchlist, rather than a piecemeal approach that may result in duplicative code or work that gets scrapped soon after it is finished.
I may be unavailable intermittently for the next 6 weeks, but I should be able to help out from the middle of June until early September.
-Aaron
[1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16419/ [2] http://mw-watchlist.tumblr.com/
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We figured it out. Aaron had been reading a rule wrong, and I've written Google to ask them to clarify it in the future to prevent future misreadings. :(
So we can get back to the thread topic - watchlist improvements! -Sumana
On 05/06/2013 06:33 PM, Brian Wolff wrote:
+1
Such a rule would seem rather misguided...
-bawolff On 2013-05-06 6:58 PM, "Sumana Harihareswara" sumanah@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:26 PM, Aaron Pramana wrote:
Brian Wolff <bawolff <at> gmail.com> writes:
On 2013-05-06 1:31 PM, "Quim Gil" <qgil <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 05/06/2013 05:41 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
A few people have started to organize the various bug reports about watchlists, but there is still much to do before we have a clear & prioritized vision of what the watchlist feature should become.
fwiw I had already suggested a Bug Day focusing on the Watchlist
feature.
If this is considered useful Andre could schedule it whenever
appropriate.
Therefore, if a few developers could declare their interest in tackling the watchlist issue in the foreseeable future, it would help arouse interest and enthusiasm from users, and motivate them to organize user research in order to design a better watchlist feature.
I don't think we need a formal pledge or commitment; a simple declaration of interest would imho be enough to get started. The specifics can be ironed out later.
Sounds like an entry to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Raw_proj
ectsmight
help as soon as there is a broad idea of what needs to be done.
What happened to last years gsoc project in this area? Are there people working on getting it merged?
-bawolff _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Hi Folks,
Last year, I worked on making improvements to the watchlist feature as my project for GSoC. The changes I made are still available as an unmerged change in Gerrit. [1] I'm glad to see that the project is starting to
gain
momentum. A major limitation of my efforts last year was that, under GSoC rules, I was the only developer who was allowed to code for the project.
Aaron, can you point me to that rule? I am nearly certain that you are wrong.
Now that other developers are looking to work on the project, I think that a project of this size has a much better chance of succeeding. Watchlist improvements as a project is extremely susceptible to feature creep, and unless there is a well-defined plan from the start, it risks getting
shelved
entirely. A blog of my progress last summer is available for ideas. [2]
I'd recommend fixing feature request bugs as a large coordinated
overhaul of
the watchlist, rather than a piecemeal approach that may result in duplicative code or work that gets scrapped soon after it is finished.
I may be unavailable intermittently for the next 6 weeks, but I should be able to help out from the middle of June until early September.
-Aaron
[1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16419/ [2] http://mw-watchlist.tumblr.com/
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