Hi,
It's likely many of you have heard of or even participated in the Picture of the Year contest. Every year, the Wikimedia community votes for a picture of the year from the pool of images promoted to featured picture status in the previous year on the Wikimedia Commons. This typically occurs in late spring; last year's contest took place in May and was a huge success.
This year, we're looking to improve the operation of the contest. In the past, with the notable exception of a community-developed JavaScript interface, the galleries, voting, and counting has been done manually. This hurts the efficiency of the contest significantly, as these somewhat tedious tasks will be repeated year after year.
It would be really wonderful if we could get a couple of developers to put an extension together. I've searched fairly extensively for something that would be sufficient for our needs and I've come to the conclusion that building such an extension would be the most future-proof and efficient way to accomplish the task.
I considered using a Toolserver-based system, but authenticating users in a SecurePoll-like way on a large scale would be difficult. (It's possible that some parts of the SecurePoll code could be used for this.) The functionality needs for the extension include: *a front-end voting gallery where users can vote while logged in with a SUL account on Commons *an administration panel to manage the front-end galleries, including account verification requirements, dates, and statistics *a user right for committee members to access the interface
This is certainly a "project," but it could be used for every POTY contest, perhaps some other contests, and it doesn't have to be elaborate. However, as I said, it would be really great if we could get just a couple people who have some experience developing MediaWiki extensions to help program this in time for this year's contest.
If anyone is interested in helping out or would like some more information, please contact me as soon as possible - anything helps!
Thanks, User:Mono
On 05/02/12 00:32, Mono wrote:
This is certainly a "project," but it could be used for every POTY contest, perhaps some other contests, and it doesn't have to be elaborate. However, as I said, it would be really great if we could get just a couple people who have some experience developing MediaWiki extensions to help program this in time for this year's contest.
If anyone is interested in helping out or would like some more information, please contact me as soon as possible - anything helps!
Thanks, User:Mono
That's a good idea. It is also suitable for new developers getting practise. I can help with this. The most complex bit would be the possible user requirements. Other preferences need to be specified, but its implementation should be straightforward.
I think the next step would be gaining feedback and collecting what the extension should do at some page, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImagePoll
On 4 February 2012 23:56, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/02/12 00:32, Mono wrote:
This is certainly a "project," but it could be used for every POTY
contest,
perhaps some other contests, and it doesn't have to be elaborate.
However,
as I said, it would be really great if we could get just a couple people who have some experience developing MediaWiki extensions to help program this in time for this year's contest.
If anyone is interested in helping out or would like some more
information,
please contact me as soon as possible - anything helps!
Thanks, User:Mono
That's a good idea. It is also suitable for new developers getting practise. I can help with this. The most complex bit would be the possible user requirements. Other preferences need to be specified, but its implementation should be straightforward.
I think the next step would be gaining feedback and collecting what the extension should do at some page, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImagePoll
Do you need users to be able to vote for any picture on commons, or just select from a shortlist gallery? SecurePoll already allows you to use full wikimarkup in question/option descriptions; you could just put image tags in each option and quite easily build a gallery that way.
--HM
Hi Happy Melon,
SecurePoll has been considered for several years now - it is used for most Wikimedia elections and is a proven system for voting. However, there are some significant disadvantages to using it for POTY, as it is somewhat difficult to set up. At this time, SecurePoll does not have an on-wiki administration console and setting up the wiki-code based galleries is not friendly for our Round 1 voting.
In Round 1, all the images promoted to featured picture status are voted on in categories by the community. Last year, the contest has around 800 photos - you can take a look at the Round 1 archive at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2010/Galleries. As far as I'm aware, there's no easy way to replicate that functionality with SecurePoll, especially without a control panel. (Round 2 has far fewer pictures.)
SecurePoll does have some features that would be great for the contest. First of all, it scales well so the whole community could participate. It can verify the elegibility of a voter and the results are counted. I'm not a developer, but it might be possible to simply improve SecurePoll to a format that would work for POTY and other elections in the future. SecurePoll isn't built out extensively and the documentation is sparse.
I do believe there's potential, but I really don't know how it would work. Currently, Round 1 is a popular vote (the images with the most votes go on to Round 2 and users can vote as much as they like) and Round 2 is smaller and more restricted (only one vote per user, most votes win). Wikimedia has used different types of voting in the past, so SecurePoll is definitely something I'd like to find out more about.
Thanks, Mono
On Sunday, February 5, 2012, Happy Melon happy.melon.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 February 2012 23:56, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/02/12 00:32, Mono wrote:
This is certainly a "project," but it could be used for every POTY
contest,
perhaps some other contests, and it doesn't have to be elaborate.
However,
as I said, it would be really great if we could get just a couple
people
who have some experience developing MediaWiki extensions to help
program
this in time for this year's contest.
If anyone is interested in helping out or would like some more
information,
please contact me as soon as possible - anything helps!
Thanks, User:Mono
That's a good idea. It is also suitable for new developers getting practise. I can help with this. The most complex bit would be the possible user requirements. Other preferences need to be specified, but its implementation should be straightforward.
I think the next step would be gaining feedback and collecting what the extension should do at some page, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImagePoll
Do you need users to be able to vote for any picture on commons, or just select from a shortlist gallery? SecurePoll already allows you to use
full
wikimarkup in question/option descriptions; you could just put image tags in each option and quite easily build a gallery that way.
--HM _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
The user requirements last year were based on SUL and we used http://toolserver.org/~mono/account/ for verification. A hook into the SUL databases similar to that tool should work. Anyway, users had to have 200 edits at any Wikimedia project before January 1 and that account had to be linked with SUL to Commons. I'll start the extension page to help identify the necessary functionality more specifically.
On Saturday, February 4, 2012, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/02/12 00:32, Mono wrote:
This is certainly a "project," but it could be used for every POTY
contest,
perhaps some other contests, and it doesn't have to be elaborate.
However,
as I said, it would be really great if we could get just a couple people who have some experience developing MediaWiki extensions to help program this in time for this year's contest.
If anyone is interested in helping out or would like some more
information,
please contact me as soon as possible - anything helps!
Thanks, User:Mono
That's a good idea. It is also suitable for new developers getting practise. I can help with this. The most complex bit would be the possible user requirements. Other preferences need to be specified, but its implementation should be straightforward.
I think the next step would be gaining feedback and collecting what the extension should do at some page, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImagePoll
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On 02/05/2012 02:27 PM, Mono wrote:
The user requirements last year were based on SUL and we used http://toolserver.org/~mono/account/ for verification. A hook into the SUL databases similar to that tool should work. Anyway, users had to have 200 edits at any Wikimedia project before January 1 and that account had to be linked with SUL to Commons. I'll start the extension page to help identify the necessary functionality more specifically.
Thanks, Mono. Once there's a little bit more of a specification, please let the list know, and we can suggest this as a project for volunteer developers who have a bit of free time. Thanks!
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Mono monomium@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
It's likely many of you have heard of or even participated in the Picture of the Year contest. Every year, the Wikimedia community votes for a picture of the year from the pool of images promoted to featured picture status in the previous year on the Wikimedia Commons. This typically occurs in late spring; last year's contest took place in May and was a huge success.
This year, we're looking to improve the operation of the contest. In the past, with the notable exception of a community-developed JavaScript interface, the galleries, voting, and counting has been done manually. This hurts the efficiency of the contest significantly, as these somewhat tedious tasks will be repeated year after year.
It would be really wonderful if we could get a couple of developers to put an extension together. I've searched fairly extensively for something that would be sufficient for our needs and I've come to the conclusion that building such an extension would be the most future-proof and efficient way to accomplish the task.
I considered using a Toolserver-based system, but authenticating users in a SecurePoll-like way on a large scale would be difficult. (It's possible that some parts of the SecurePoll code could be used for this.) The functionality needs for the extension include: *a front-end voting gallery where users can vote while logged in with a SUL account on Commons *an administration panel to manage the front-end galleries, including account verification requirements, dates, and statistics *a user right for committee members to access the interface
This is certainly a "project," but it could be used for every POTY contest, perhaps some other contests, and it doesn't have to be elaborate. However, as I said, it would be really great if we could get just a couple people who have some experience developing MediaWiki extensions to help program this in time for this year's contest.
If anyone is interested in helping out or would like some more information, please contact me as soon as possible - anything helps!
Thanks, User:Mono
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For someone who is not fimilar with the commons PoTY voting process, could you share with us some dates so we have an idea of when the delivery date would be?
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