We still seem to be having to write œ in article text and links. Is the letter œ (oe digraph) working properly on fr: yet? If not, will it work at some time in the future? (I will write up answers to this in the fr: FAQ! :)
A further problem is that the system does not know that Œ is the upper case of &oelig. For example, [[œil (typographie)]] shows as an empty link, even though the page [[Œil (typographie)]] exists. Could this second problem be fixed at least? **
tarquin wrote:
We still seem to be having to write œ in article text and links. Is the letter œ (oe digraph) working properly on fr: yet? If not, will it work at some time in the future?
<meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
The fr Wikipedia appears to be using the iso-8859-1 character set currently. This character set does not include the oelig character.
The Windows-1252 character set (and, of course, UTF-8 also) contains the character, and it is largely compatible with ISO-8859-1. However, I bet someone is going to tell you that there exist hardly-used broken ancient browsers that can't handle it and this is why they continue to use ISO-8859-1.
The problem here is that these "hardly-used broken ancient browsers" can corrupt whole pages (by removing all the oeligs, for example). Therefore, whenever someone contributes with such a browser, you will either have to fix all the oeligs (too much work) or forego their contribution (a pity).
A further problem is that the system does not know that Œ is the upper case of &oelig. For example, [[œil (typographie)]] shows as an empty link, even though the page [[Œil (typographie)]] exists. Could this second problem be fixed at least?
This would be trivial with UTF-8, but since that can't be used ...
Greetings, Timwi
Timwi wrote:
The fr Wikipedia appears to be using the iso-8859-1 character set currently. This character set does not include the oelig character.
When the ISO 8859-1 standard was defined in the late 1980s, the French committee member refused to include oelig since this was "a ligature and not a letter". To reach consensus, oelig was taken out and the multiplication (hex 0xd7) and division (hex 0xf7) signs were introduced instead. Therefore, it is only just that the French should be punished by always having to use ISO 8859-1, even long after everybody else have switched to Unicode.
As you can see, the code positions are assigned very systematically, but this pattern is clearly broken by the mult and div symbols:
0xd1 N-tilde 0xf1 n-tilde 0xd2 O-grave 0xf2 o-grave 0xd3 O-acute 0xf3 o-acute 0xd4 O-circum 0xf4 o-circum 0xd5 O-tilde 0xf5 o-tilde 0xd6 O-dieresis 0xf6 o-dieresis 0xd7 mult 0xf7 div 0xd8 O-slash 0xf8 o-slash 0xd9 U-grave 0xf9 u-grave 0xda U-acute 0xfa u-acute
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:11:10 +0000, Timwi wrote:
tarquin wrote:
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A further problem is that the system does not know that Œ is the upper case of &oelig. For example, [[œil (typographie)]] shows as an empty link, even though the page [[Œil (typographie)]] exists. Could this second problem be fixed at least?
This would be trivial with UTF-8, but since that can't be used ...
Greetings, Timwi
Hello,
Why can't we switch fr: to UTF-8 ? :0)
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 08:44:03PM +0100, Ashar Voultoiz wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:11:10 +0000, Timwi wrote:
tarquin wrote:
<snip> >> A further problem is that the system does not know that Œ is the >> upper case of &oelig. >> For example, [[œil (typographie)]] shows as an empty link, even >> though the page [[Œil (typographie)]] exists. >> Could this second problem be fixed at least? > > This would be trivial with UTF-8, but since that can't be used ...
Why can't we switch fr: to UTF-8 ? :0)
That's a good question - you (= French Wikipedians) can switch and should switch. It has been delayed for too long already.
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