Not just for me, but for others. Is there any way for us to work out what we're doing wrong?
- d.
<quote name="David Gerard" date="2013-08-05" time="18:03:53 +0100">
Not just for me, but for others. Is there any way for us to work out what we're doing wrong?
I got a report that my message to wikitech-ambassadors@ was sent to spam last week, as well.
Just throwing out a datum.
Greg
All emails to labs-l always end up in spam for me (I've a special rule that picks them out of spam, and GMail still warns me).
/end-data-point
What is the explanation for this? My spam folder is full of emails from wiki mailing lists too.
Perhaps many users don't know how to unsubscribe and mark them as spam and Google filter has learn it?
2013/8/5 Mathieu Stumpf psychoslave@culture-libre.org
Le lundi 05 août 2013 à 23:01 +0530, Yuvi Panda a écrit :
All emails to labs-l always end up in spam for me (I've a special rule that picks them out of spam, and GMail still warns me).
/end-data-point
Bad mail provider, change mail provider. ;)
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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52556 sounds related...
--bawolff
On 8/5/13, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com wrote:
What is the explanation for this? My spam folder is full of emails from wiki mailing lists too.
Perhaps many users don't know how to unsubscribe and mark them as spam and Google filter has learn it?
2013/8/5 Mathieu Stumpf psychoslave@culture-libre.org
Le lundi 05 août 2013 à 23:01 +0530, Yuvi Panda a écrit :
All emails to labs-l always end up in spam for me (I've a special rule that picks them out of spam, and GMail still warns me).
/end-data-point
Bad mail provider, change mail provider. ;)
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I recommend posters re-read bawolff's message:
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52556 sounds related...
--bawolff
lists.wikipedia.org is missing an SPF record in DNS. That is most likely what is causing the email to be flagged. --scott
On 5 August 2013 22:25, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
lists.wikipedia.org is missing an SPF record in DNS. That is most likely what is causing the email to be flagged.
Is that easy or hard to fix?
(I can't work out how to get a list of email addresses for wikien-l, to work out how many subscribers are on gmail. I know at one stage *all* of the moderators were ... it's a popular service for good reason.)
- d.
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.com
wrote:
What is the explanation for this? My spam folder is full of emails from wiki mailing lists too.
Perhaps many users don't know how to unsubscribe and mark them as spam and Google filter has learn it?
Since it includes a List-Unsubscribe header, when reporting it as spam, Google prompts the user with something along the lines of "Do you wish to unsubscribe rather than report as spam?"
On 5 August 2013 16:23, OQ overlordq@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada < emijrp@gmail.com
wrote:
What is the explanation for this? My spam folder is full of emails from wiki mailing lists too.
Perhaps many users don't know how to unsubscribe and mark them as spam
and
Google filter has learn it?
Since it includes a List-Unsubscribe header, when reporting it as spam, Google prompts the user with something along the lines of "Do you wish to unsubscribe rather than report as spam?"
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list. I do not know what is different about that one.
Risker/Anne
On 5 August 2013 21:57, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list. I do not know what is different about that one.
Does anyone have a contact at GMail?
(I mean, there's making a blog post, but that'd be a pretty extreme last resort ...)
- d.
I believe Greg G. has reached out to the Office IT team, who have the ability to open a ticket against GMail (since wikimedia uses GMail for org email).
Thanks.
--Ken.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:15 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 August 2013 21:57, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list. I do not know what is different about that one.
Does anyone have a contact at GMail?
(I mean, there's making a blog post, but that'd be a pretty extreme last resort ...)
- d.
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ken Snider ksnider@wikimedia.org wrote:
I believe Greg G. has reached out to the Office IT team, who have the ability to open a ticket against GMail (since wikimedia uses GMail for org email).
If Brian Wolff's diagnosis is correct ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52556) this has nothing to do with GMail. (Nor does mailing list traffic originate from google servers, AFAIK.) --scott
"C. Scott Ananian" cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
I believe Greg G. has reached out to the Office IT team, who have the ability to open a ticket against GMail (since wikimedia uses GMail for org email).
If Brian Wolff's diagnosis is correct ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52556) this has nothing to do with GMail. (Nor does mailing list traffic originate from google servers, AFAIK.)
Just want to point that I am neither Brian Wolff nor would I call the bug report a diagnosis :-) -- it's just a guess.
Greg asked (cf. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52556#c1):
| Can someone who has some of the emails that were marked as spam please pastebin | the headers? We're working with a contact at Google now to diagnose. It is | probably the SPF issue, but they haven't suggested it yet (they probably | haven't gotten that far).
Tim
C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ken Snider ksnider@wikimedia.org wrote:
I believe Greg G. has reached out to the Office IT team, who have the ability to open a ticket against GMail (since wikimedia uses GMail for org email).
If Brian Wolff's diagnosis is correct ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52556) this has nothing to do with GMail. (Nor does mailing list traffic originate from google servers, AFAIK.)
Tim L.'s diagnosis, rather, but indeed. As I understand it, this would be a Wikimedia operations issue (setting an SPF record in Wikimedia's DNS records for lists.wikimedia.org) and would fall to Ken and his team.
MZMcBride
Just looping the list in on the status:
We're talking with a support person from Google, they've made a couple of suggestions that I've forwarded to Ops (specifically SPF and DKIM).
They also asked for the headers of some of the messages, which you saw I related to the bug. I sent them the one Alex shared.
I'll let the list know when I have a more solid answer (ie: "we're all fixed" or "email hates us").
Greg
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is
affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list. I do not know what is different about that one.
Hurm I stand corrected, I know it does this for some lists I've been subscribed to, but not the WM lists, so *shrug*.[1] The troubleshooter[2] does encourage SPF/DKIM, and if that fails to contact them[3].
1 - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/unsubscribing-made-easy.html 2 - https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/2696779?rd=1 3 - https://support.google.com/mail/contact/bulk_send
2013/8/5 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list.
CU-list is also deeply involved. :-(
Meanwhile you can fix the filters and add the option "do not send to spam folder". I did it for all my wiki filters...
2013/8/6 Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com
2013/8/5 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list.
CU-list is also deeply involved. :-( _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Same for me. I added a filter but I'm thinking about a better solution...
Best
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.com
wrote:
Meanwhile you can fix the filters and add the option "do not send to spam folder". I did it for all my wiki filters...
2013/8/6 Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com
2013/8/5 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list.
CU-list is also deeply involved. :-( _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Everyone who is affected by this should complain to Google. Make it clear that it is a recent problem. It's better if the complaints come from users than from outside.
-- Tim Starling
On 07/08/13 17:42, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
Same for me. I added a filter but I'm thinking about a better solution...
Best
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.com
wrote:
Meanwhile you can fix the filters and add the option "do not send to spam folder". I did it for all my wiki filters...
2013/8/6 Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com
2013/8/5 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com
Really? I've not once had that message. As best I can tell, it is affecting EVERY lists.wikimedia.org mailing list, with the possible exception of the checkuser mailing list.
CU-list is also deeply involved. :-( _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 7 August 2013 14:18, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Everyone who is affected by this should complain to Google. Make it clear that it is a recent problem. It's better if the complaints come from users than from outside.
Is there anywhere they're actually listening? That's really not something Google is good at.
- d.
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:55 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 August 2013 14:18, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Everyone who is affected by this should complain to Google. Make it clear that it is a recent problem. It's better if the complaints come from users than from outside.
Is there anywhere they're actually listening? That's really not something Google is good at.
I decided to not care about the problem very much since I assumed Google wouldn't either.
-Chad
wikimedia-l, checkuser-l, wikitext-l and wikitech-l in spam, but just the a email not in spam :D Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ My blog: http://shizhao.org twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao
[[zh:User:Shizhao]]
2013/8/6 Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com:
All emails to labs-l always end up in spam for me (I've a special rule that picks them out of spam, and GMail still warns me).
/end-data-point
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 19:03:53 +0200, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Not just for me, but for others. Is there any way for us to work out what we're doing wrong?
I actually just noticed this today, unspammed the messages and was going to mail here about it. Affects at least wikitech-l and mediawiki-l for me.
On 5 August 2013 20:06, Bartosz Dziewoński matma.rex@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 19:03:53 +0200, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Not just for me, but for others. Is there any way for us to work out what we're doing wrong?
I actually just noticed this today, unspammed the messages and was going to mail here about it. Affects at least wikitech-l and mediawiki-l for me.
Been affecting a pile of lists for me, so it's something in what we send in the headers.
- d.
So, are you still seeing this happening? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52556 was wontfix'ed, but SPF rules were actually added and all messages I receive now have spf=pass; however it's unclear how much this helps (it's surely not *the* source of the problem).
Nemo
On 14 August 2013 13:01, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
So, are you still seeing this happening? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52556 was wontfix'ed, but SPF rules were actually added and all messages I receive now have spf=pass; however it's unclear how much this helps (it's surely not *the* source of the problem).
I haven't had much gobbled by the spam monster lately, fwiw.
- d.
Same here, funnily enough. Nothing in spam.
-Signalizing
On Wednesday, August 14, 2013, David Gerard wrote:
On 14 August 2013 13:01, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.comjavascript:;> wrote:
So, are you still seeing this happening? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52556 was wontfix'ed, but SPF rules were actually added and all messages I receive now have spf=pass; however it's unclear how much this helps (it's surely not *the* source of the
problem).
I haven't had much gobbled by the spam monster lately, fwiw.
- d.
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
I'm a little confused:
- Right now it appears our SPF records just say to allow everything (unless I should be checking something other than lists.wikimedia.org). - Why was the bug marked as WONTFIX if it was actually FIXED?
*-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Myles Gray signalizing.wiki@gmail.comwrote:
Same here, funnily enough. Nothing in spam.
-Signalizing
On Wednesday, August 14, 2013, David Gerard wrote:
On 14 August 2013 13:01, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
So, are you still seeing this happening? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52556 was wontfix'ed, but SPF rules
were
actually added and all messages I receive now have spf=pass; however
it's
unclear how much this helps (it's surely not *the* source of the
problem).
I haven't had much gobbled by the spam monster lately, fwiw.
- d.
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
--
Signalizing @ enwiki / Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Disregard the first point on that email. I misread the header.
*-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a little confused:
- Right now it appears our SPF records just say to allow everything
(unless I should be checking something other than lists.wikimedia.org).
- Why was the bug marked as WONTFIX if it was actually FIXED?
*-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Myles Gray signalizing.wiki@gmail.comwrote:
Same here, funnily enough. Nothing in spam.
-Signalizing
On Wednesday, August 14, 2013, David Gerard wrote:
On 14 August 2013 13:01, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
So, are you still seeing this happening? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52556 was wontfix'ed, but SPF rules
were
actually added and all messages I receive now have spf=pass; however
it's
unclear how much this helps (it's surely not *the* source of the
problem).
I haven't had much gobbled by the spam monster lately, fwiw.
- d.
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
--
Signalizing @ enwiki / Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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