Does it also affect the app?
If so, why, and can we circumvent that?
Unfortunately, it does. According to news, the reason of the block is some defamatory content about Turkey but it is not exactly known yet.
Because the app uses the same base URL for the requests to Wikipedia as other access methods (e.g. internet browsers), a block a Wikipedia would apply to the App, too. Sorry, but there's no way to work around this, if a block is implemented to block all requests to a specific domain. One workaround on the client side would be to use a VPN, so that the request will be made from another origin and the answer forwarded to your phone/computer. However, I'm not sure, if this is allowed in any way.
Best, Florian
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Wikitech-l [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Denny Vrandecic Gesendet: Samstag, 29. April 2017 21:16 An: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Turkey ban
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Surely it should be possible to have a more resilient access to Wikipedia content in the app than most vanilla browsers provide?
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, 13:40 Florian Schmidt < florian.schmidt.welzow@t-online.de> wrote:
Because the app uses the same base URL for the requests to Wikipedia as other access methods (e.g. internet browsers), a block a Wikipedia would apply to the App, too. Sorry, but there's no way to work around this, if a block is implemented to block all requests to a specific domain. One workaround on the client side would be to use a VPN, so that the request will be made from another origin and the answer forwarded to your phone/computer. However, I'm not sure, if this is allowed in any way.
Best, Florian
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The apps aren't currently designed with network-level blocking circumvention in mind. It's certainly possible to be much more resilient especially to something simple like a DNS blacklist, but:
* anything we do starts an arms race where smarter blocking could block that too * the apps are open source, so it's very easy to check how they work and then design a fancier block * such efforts might affect legal cases (IANAL)
-- brion
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Denny Vrandečić vrandecic@gmail.com wrote:
Surely it should be possible to have a more resilient access to Wikipedia content in the app than most vanilla browsers provide?
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, 13:40 Florian Schmidt < florian.schmidt.welzow@t-online.de> wrote:
Because the app uses the same base URL for the requests to Wikipedia as other access methods (e.g. internet browsers), a block a Wikipedia would apply to the App, too. Sorry, but there's no way to work around this, if
a
block is implemented to block all requests to a specific domain. One workaround on the client side would be to use a VPN, so that the request will be made from another origin and the answer forwarded to your phone/computer. However, I'm not sure, if this is allowed in any way.
Best, Florian
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When I was in Iran, I could reach all the blocked sites (such as Facebook) with Psiphon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon And so do the local people. Citizens of dictatorships are very efficient in using client-side solutions.
The Iranian government by blocking several major websites (youtube, facebook, twitter) actually made people aware of anonymizers and people were able to use a wide range of them. Most popular ones that people in Turkey can use is: 1- Psiphon (a little bit slow, has an android app) 2- Hotspot shield (great, also andriod app) 3- Lantern (the only one that supports linux) Tor is good too but we have editing problems with that.
Best
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
When I was in Iran, I could reach all the blocked sites (such as Facebook) with Psiphon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon And so do the local people. Citizens of dictatorships are very efficient in using client-side solutions. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
And now, this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/20000-chinese-writers-will-creat...
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The Iranian government by blocking several major websites (youtube, facebook, twitter) actually made people aware of anonymizers and people were able to use a wide range of them. Most popular ones that people in Turkey can use is: 1- Psiphon (a little bit slow, has an android app) 2- Hotspot shield (great, also andriod app) 3- Lantern (the only one that supports linux) Tor is good too but we have editing problems with that.
Best
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
When I was in Iran, I could reach all the blocked sites (such as
Facebook)
with Psiphon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon And so do the local people. Citizens of dictatorships are very efficient in using client-side solutions. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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I suspect if this will work, they also created on a own OS which... isn't popular at all.
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And now, this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/20000-chinese-writers-will-creat...
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The Iranian government by blocking several major websites (youtube, facebook, twitter) actually made people aware of anonymizers and people were able to use a wide range of them. Most popular ones that people in Turkey can use is: 1- Psiphon (a little bit slow, has an android app) 2- Hotspot shield (great, also andriod app) 3- Lantern (the only one that supports linux) Tor is good too but we have editing problems with that.
Best
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
When I was in Iran, I could reach all the blocked sites (such as
Facebook)
with Psiphon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon And so do the local people. Citizens of dictatorships are very efficient in using client-side solutions. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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I think that's the first time I've heard Wikipedia described as bewitching. I'll take it as a compliment.
FWIW, I have a hard time parsing this as bad news. Someone hiring 20,000 professional writers to create a freely accessible (though not distributable) encyclopedia is probably a net positive for humanity. I'm sure it will be heavily biased on political issues and heavily censored, but I doubt that will completely negate the value of the work. As an encyclopedia buff, I hope I can be forgiven for being secretly a little bit excited to hear about this effort. Cuba also has a state-sponsored Wikipedia competitor, EcuRed. Some of the articles are dripping with propaganda, but it's coverage of Cuban history and culture is actually much better than Wikipedia's (including Spanish Wikipedia). If this gives China an excuse to permanently block Wikipedia, I suppose it will be a net negative, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
You are now free to tar and feather me!
On May 2, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:
And now, this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/20000-chinese-writers-will-creat...
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The Iranian government by blocking several major websites (youtube, facebook, twitter) actually made people aware of anonymizers and people were able to use a wide range of them. Most popular ones that people in Turkey can use is: 1- Psiphon (a little bit slow, has an android app) 2- Hotspot shield (great, also andriod app) 3- Lantern (the only one that supports linux) Tor is good too but we have editing problems with that.
Best
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
When I was in Iran, I could reach all the blocked sites (such as
Facebook)
with Psiphon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon And so do the local people. Citizens of dictatorships are very efficient in using client-side solutions. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 2 May 2017 at 18:18, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think that's the first time I've heard Wikipedia described as bewitching. I'll take it as a compliment. FWIW, I have a hard time parsing this as bad news. Someone hiring 20,000 professional writers to create a freely accessible (though not distributable) encyclopedia is probably a net positive for humanity. I'm sure it will be heavily biased on political issues and heavily censored, but I doubt that will completely negate the value of the work. As an encyclopedia buff, I hope I can be forgiven for being secretly a little bit excited to hear about this effort. Cuba also has a state-sponsored Wikipedia competitor, EcuRed. Some of the articles are dripping with propaganda, but it's coverage of Cuban history and culture is actually much better than Wikipedia's (including Spanish Wikipedia). If this gives China an excuse to permanently block Wikipedia, I suppose it will be a net negative, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. You are now free to tar and feather me!
I think you've hit the key point - we need this to be released under a proper free content license :-D
(probably increasingly off topic for the dev list ... maybe see if they have useful changes to contribute back to MW)
- d.
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:
And now, this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/20000-chinese- writers-will-create-their-own-wikipedia-competitor/
IIRC, China has been announcing such an initiative in various forms almost perennially since Wikipedia became popular in the mid-aughts, and every time the tech journalists go nuts.
On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 09:00 -0700, Jonathan Morgan wrote:
And now, this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/20000-chinese-writers-wil l-create-their-own-wikipedia-competitor/
I don't see much relation to the topic. There have been already issues connecting to Wikipedia in China, and there are already larger Chinese online encyclopedia projects (Baidu's Baike has ~13mio articles).
andre
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