Hi,
I am working on a GUI for LilyPond and am looking for your feedback on the desirability or usefulness --if any-- for MediaWiki.
My desire is to have LilyPond accessible to everyone by presenting a basic GUI initially so as to provide a more gentle introduction than text to most people, simultaneously offering an easy way to learn the LilyPond language and handhold them while they make the switch.
Although I started three years ago it is still mostly a play thing --I do this just for fun and it has seen a few rewrites-- so it will be a long way before it matches any of the power that LilyPond has, or even that other GUIs offer right now.
I would enjoy having more focus and actual users and so early this spring I took up the idea to create a basic web frontend alongside the main Gnome/Gtk+ GUI.
Then, by the usual blend of sheer coincidence and providence, the <score> extension landed. That has kept me wondering if what I have now could [almost] be useful for MediaWiki or WikiPedia...or what would need to be done to make it so.
Any feedback is much appreciated! Please have a look at
http://lilypond.org/schikkers-list
or go straight to the LilyPond Schikkers Demo
http://lilypond.org/schikkers/
Thankyou Greetings, Jan
PS: as an aside, I read some complaints about Lily's SVG output on this list; would you please send a bug report on that, or anything else that you find amiss to bug-lilypond@gnu.org?
On 6/16/13, Jan Nieuwenhuizen janneke@gnu.org wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a GUI for LilyPond and am looking for your feedback on the desirability or usefulness --if any-- for MediaWiki.
My desire is to have LilyPond accessible to everyone by presenting a basic GUI initially so as to provide a more gentle introduction than text to most people, simultaneously offering an easy way to learn the LilyPond language and handhold them while they make the switch.
Although I started three years ago it is still mostly a play thing --I do this just for fun and it has seen a few rewrites-- so it will be a long way before it matches any of the power that LilyPond has, or even that other GUIs offer right now.
I would enjoy having more focus and actual users and so early this spring I took up the idea to create a basic web frontend alongside the main Gnome/Gtk+ GUI.
Then, by the usual blend of sheer coincidence and providence, the <score> extension landed. That has kept me wondering if what I have now could [almost] be useful for MediaWiki or WikiPedia...or what would need to be done to make it so.
Any feedback is much appreciated! Please have a look at
http://lilypond.org/schikkers-list
or go straight to the LilyPond Schikkers Demo
http://lilypond.org/schikkers/
Thankyou Greetings, Jan
PS: as an aside, I read some complaints about Lily's SVG output on this list; would you please send a bug report on that, or anything else that you find amiss to bug-lilypond@gnu.org?
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Hi, Thanks for reaching out to us.
I just tried the demo, and it looks pretty awesome. I definitely think integrating this into Score somehow would be very desirable.
--bawolff
Brian Wolff writes:
Thanks for reaching out to us.
Sure. I remembered reading something about this desire, but couldn't find that discussion; I was redirected here through the Score Talk page.
I just tried the demo, and it looks pretty awesome. I definitely think integrating this into Score somehow would be very desirable.
Thank you. Integrating would be nice, but that is possibly taking it a bit too quickly? Anyway, I am very interested in what would be desired most and to see if we can come in contact with people who would like to work on this. I'll also hang out on #mediawiki (and #lilypond) as janneke (or janneke_)
Greetings, Jan
On 06/16/2013 07:12 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Hi,
I am working on a GUI for LilyPond and am looking for your feedback on the desirability or usefulness --if any-- for MediaWiki.
There is a bug for this (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47528), specifically integrating it with the (relatively new) VisualEditor. As far as I know, no one is working on it, but I think it would be greatly appreciated.
Matt Flaschen
Matthew Flaschen writes:
There is a bug for this (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47528), specifically integrating it with the (relatively new) VisualEditor. As far as I know, no one is working on it, but I think it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, should I create an account and add a link or info there? I'm reading that they're thinking about a javascript-based editor, given that Schikkers is using LilyPond for rendering the javascript part is the smallest part of this project...
Interesting, did you contact the LilyPond project about this?
Greetings, Jan
On 06/16/2013 02:21 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Thanks, should I create an account and add a link or info there?
That would be great.
I'm reading that they're thinking about a javascript-based editor, given that Schikkers is using LilyPond for rendering the javascript part is the smallest part of this project...
Yes, doing it all client-side would probably be best for performance and responsiveness, but some server-side involvement may be okay. However, the current implementation at http://lilypond.org/schikkers/?user=demo of responding with a JavaScript version of a full SVG document for each change does raise performance questions.
Matt Flaschen
Interesting, did you contact the LilyPond project about this?
I don't think they've been contacted about the VisualEditor. They were emailed when the Score extension was in-progress, and they I assume they know about that by now.
Matt Flaschen
Matthew Flaschen writes:
That would be great.
I see that's already been taken care of
Yes, doing it all client-side would probably be best for performance and responsiveness, but some server-side involvement may be okay. However, the current implementation at http://lilypond.org/schikkers/?user=demo of responding with a JavaScript version of a full SVG document for each change does raise performance questions.
Sure, this demo still leaves much room for improvement and I would not suggest to use it as it is. It's pretty useless to work on performance if minimal required functionality is lacking, so that's one of the things I would like to hear.
I don't think they've been contacted about the VisualEditor. They were emailed when the Score extension was in-progress, and they I assume they know about that by now.
Yes, of course. Thanks, Jan
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