Hi.
Someone claiming to be ARIN's President and CEO John Curran posted the following to Meta-Wiki recently:
--- As many folks are aware, the Internet has been a remarkably successful phenomena. One consequence of this success is that the present underlying Internet Protocol (IP version 4, or IPv4) is reaching the deployment limits on the number of devices that can be uniquely addressed. The upper limit is approx 4.3 Billion devices. To allow the Internet to continue to expand, it is now necessary to begin using larger IP addresses for servers, these new addresses are known as IP version 6, or IPv6. It is particularly important for major Internet content providers to make this transition, since new users are now being connected with IPv6 and must go through transition gateways to reach sites which are not using both IPv4 and IPv6.
On 6 June 2012, nearly one thousand web sites are permanently turning on IPv6 as part of the Internet Society's "World IPv6 Launch" event. http://www.worldipv6launch.org/%C2%A0This includes Google, Facebook, and other major providers. Wikipedia has been working on IPv6 support for some time, and it would be good if a commitment to having IPv6 by this date could be made.
/John John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN 12.174.51.2 00:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC) ---
Source: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Babel&oldid=3588620#Tr... tion_of_the_Internet_from_IPv4_to_IPv6_.26_Wikipedia_support_for_IPv6
Any thoughts on this from ops?
MZMcBride
MZMcBride wrote:
John Curran? wrote:
On 6 June 2012, nearly one thousand web sites are permanently turning on IPv6 as part of the Internet Society's "World IPv6 Launch" event. http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ This includes Google, Facebook, and other major providers. Wikipedia has been working on IPv6 support for some time, and it would be good if a commitment to having IPv6 by this date could be made.
Providing IPv6 access would be great indeed. I think we tried to participate last year, but it the databases could not be updated in time.
I have no idea how much work still need to be achieved. AFAIK we already have IPv6 connectivity, Varnish and Squids cache already support it and MediaWiki has some basic support for it.
So yeah, it would be great if we could participate.
On 24/03/12 18:23, Antoine Musso wrote:
Providing IPv6 access would be great indeed. I think we tried to participate last year, but it the databases could not be updated in time.
rc_ip doesn't really need to be updated urgently. We can just let insertions into it be truncated. Autoblocks will be slightly less effective, but that doesn't really matter, there are plenty of other anti-abuse tools available and the amount of vandalism from IPv6 will presumably be small at first.
-- Tim Starling
We should certainly try to be ready. If we're going to need to make further schema updates for IPv6 anyway, I'd rather we try to fix rc_ip while we're at it.
Aaron's provided some additional info for needed MediaWiki-related changes, which I've copied here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IPv6_support_roadmap
I've created a tracking bug here for blocking issues:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35540
We'll continue to sync up on this internally both from an ops and development standpoint, but anyone who wants to help move this forward, please do.
Yes I would like to help as well, but it would be nice if you told us, how. My suggestion is to enable ipv6 on wikimedia labs, and on beta cluster, so that we can test the mediawiki support for ipv6 there and let the community of wikimedia try it and find and report all problems
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Antoine Musso hashar+wmf@free.fr wrote:
Le 28/03/12 00:18, Erik Moeller wrote:
<snip> > We'll continue to sync up on this internally both from an ops and > development standpoint, but anyone who wants to help move IPv6 > forward, please do.
- raises hand *
-- Antoine "hashar" Musso
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
Yes I would like to help as well, but it would be nice if you told us, how. My suggestion is to enable ipv6 on wikimedia labs, and on beta cluster, so that we can test the mediawiki support for ipv6 there and let the community of wikimedia try it and find and report all problems
I'll let Ryan respond to this in full when he gets back, but he said there's an issue with supporting IPv6 in labs. If I recall correctly it was something along the lines of: * Nova did not have IPv6 support when he set up labs * Newer versions of Nova support IPv6 but assume you create the IPv4 and IPv6 networks at the same time --> Therefore there is no reasonable way to add IPv6 support to an existing IPv4-only Nova setup
I can't say how long it will take to set up IPv6 in labs, Ryan is much better qualified to estimate that, just saying that it's apparently not at all trivial.
Roan
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
it was something along the lines of:
- Nova did not have IPv6 support when he set up labs
- Newer versions of Nova support IPv6 but assume you create the IPv4
and IPv6 networks at the same time --> Therefore there is no reasonable way to add IPv6 support to an existing IPv4-only Nova setup
Yeah, it looks like they are working on it but there is still a lot of TBD in there, see here:
http://wiki.openstack.org/ipv6support
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ipv6-support https://code.launchpad.net/~ntt-pf-lab/nova/ipv6-support
How is that related to nova, what if we just enable it on existing instances? If the network where the instances live on, support ipv6, and instance get access to it, why it shouldn't work. It lives behind kvm and if host system is on ipv6 network, we could just skip nova at all, for now.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Daniel Zahn dzahn@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
it was something along the lines of:
- Nova did not have IPv6 support when he set up labs
- Newer versions of Nova support IPv6 but assume you create the IPv4
and IPv6 networks at the same time --> Therefore there is no reasonable way to add IPv6 support to an existing IPv4-only Nova setup
Yeah, it looks like they are working on it but there is still a lot of TBD in there, see here:
http://wiki.openstack.org/ipv6support
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ipv6-support https://code.launchpad.net/~ntt-pf-lab/nova/ipv6-support
--
Daniel Zahn dzahn@wikimedia.org
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Hi guys,
Last year I send an email about World IPv6 day [1]. Got some responses, but nothing really happened and we missed. it. This year we have the World IPv6 launch and I hope Wikimedia will participate. I wonder if deploying ipv6 has priority at the Wikimedia Foundation. I put Erik on the cc because he can probably answer that question. This would be a good way to encourage innovation [2]
Maarten
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-January/051190.html [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_StrategicPlan2011_24pp.pdf
Op 24-3-2012 6:13, MZMcBride schreef:
Hi.
Someone claiming to be ARIN's President and CEO John Curran posted the following to Meta-Wiki recently:
As many folks are aware, the Internet has been a remarkably successful phenomena. One consequence of this success is that the present underlying Internet Protocol (IP version 4, or IPv4) is reaching the deployment limits on the number of devices that can be uniquely addressed. The upper limit is approx 4.3 Billion devices. To allow the Internet to continue to expand, it is now necessary to begin using larger IP addresses for servers, these new addresses are known as IP version 6, or IPv6. It is particularly important for major Internet content providers to make this transition, since new users are now being connected with IPv6 and must go through transition gateways to reach sites which are not using both IPv4 and IPv6.
On 6 June 2012, nearly one thousand web sites are permanently turning on IPv6 as part of the Internet Society's "World IPv6 Launch" event. http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ This includes Google, Facebook, and other major providers. Wikipedia has been working on IPv6 support for some time, and it would be good if a commitment to having IPv6 by this date could be made.
/John John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN 12.174.51.2 00:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Source: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Babel&oldid=3588620#Tr... tion_of_the_Internet_from_IPv4_to_IPv6_.26_Wikipedia_support_for_IPv6
Any thoughts on this from ops?
MZMcBride
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Speaking as a network person and someone who is working on from the operations side, we really want to do this and make it work. However, we have a lot of work to do and that's why we can't guarantee we'll make the date. We definitely don't want to commit to something and then miss the launch. Our load balancers all need to be upgraded and we'll have a lot of testing to do.
I'm not sure about all of the backend developer work to be done, either.
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi guys,
Last year I send an email about World IPv6 day [1]. Got some responses, but nothing really happened and we missed. it. This year we have the World IPv6 launch and I hope Wikimedia will participate. I wonder if deploying ipv6 has priority at the Wikimedia Foundation. I put Erik on the cc because he can probably answer that question. This would be a good way to encourage innovation [2]
Maarten
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-January/051190.html [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_StrategicPlan2011_24pp.pdf
Op 24-3-2012 6:13, MZMcBride schreef:
Hi.
Someone claiming to be ARIN's President and CEO John Curran posted the following to Meta-Wiki recently:
As many folks are aware, the Internet has been a remarkably successful phenomena. One consequence of this success is that the present underlying Internet Protocol (IP version 4, or IPv4) is reaching the deployment limits on the number of devices that can be uniquely addressed. The upper limit is approx 4.3 Billion devices. To allow the Internet to continue to expand, it is now necessary to begin using larger IP addresses for servers, these new addresses are known as IP version 6, or IPv6. It is particularly important for major Internet content providers to make this transition, since new users are now being connected with IPv6 and must go through transition gateways to reach sites which are not using both IPv4 and IPv6.
On 6 June 2012, nearly one thousand web sites are permanently turning on IPv6 as part of the Internet Society's "World IPv6 Launch" event. http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ This includes Google, Facebook, and other major providers. Wikipedia has been working on IPv6 support for some time, and it would be good if a commitment to having IPv6 by this date could be made.
/John John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN 12.174.51.2 00:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Source:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Babel&oldid=3588620#Tr... tion_of_the_Internet_from_IPv4_to_IPv6_.26_Wikipedia_support_for_IPv6
Any thoughts on this from ops?
MZMcBride
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