--Xaosflux wrote:
Seems like {{delete|I created this page by mistake}} would suffice there?
... We're not in the business of providing individual examples and counter-examples. Suffice to say there is no good reason *not* to support signatures in templates - and people do use signatures in templates - so we should support it.
Andrew Garrett (Werdna)
On 06/01/07, Andrew Garrett andrew@epstone.net wrote:
... We're not in the business of providing individual examples and counter-examples. Suffice to say there is no good reason *not* to support signatures in templates - and people do use signatures in templates - so we should support it.
From an editor's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of
point in whacking a signature in a template. If one wishes to sign a tag, then place the tildes after the template call, as normal.
From a developer's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of
point worrying too much about what signatures do and don't work with - we aren't under any obligation to support fancy signatures with 30-odd lines of HTML, CSS and whatnot.
Rob Church
On 1/6/07, Rob Church robchur@gmail.com wrote:
From an editor's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of point in whacking a signature in a template. If one wishes to sign a tag, then place the tildes after the template call, as normal.
From a developer's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of point worrying too much about what signatures do and don't work with - we aren't under any obligation to support fancy signatures with 30-odd lines of HTML, CSS and whatnot.
The question is *default* signatures. Which is why I'm puzzled.
Rob Church wrote:
On 06/01/07, Andrew Garrett andrew@epstone.net wrote:
... We're not in the business of providing individual examples and counter-examples. Suffice to say there is no good reason *not* to support signatures in templates - and people do use signatures in templates - so we should support it.
From an editor's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of
point in whacking a signature in a template. If one wishes to sign a tag, then place the tildes after the template call, as normal.
The problem with that is when there are multiple signatures in a template. For example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/Abc#1bx.com
Matthew Flaschen
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Now that I've sent my last post saying {{mirror}} wasn't a good example, I see where it's being used. The problem doesn't seem to be in using signatures containing pipes in templates, but in tables, where pipe is a delimiter.
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Church" robchur@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Default signature
On 06/01/07, Andrew Garrett andrew@epstone.net wrote:
... We're not in the business of providing individual examples and counter-examples. Suffice to say there is no good reason *not* to support signatures in templates - and people do use signatures in templates - so we should support it.
From an editor's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of point in whacking a signature in a template. If one wishes to sign a tag, then place the tildes after the template call, as normal.
From a developer's point of view, I don't see that there's a lot of point worrying too much about what signatures do and don't work with - we aren't under any obligation to support fancy signatures with 30-odd lines of HTML, CSS and whatnot.
Rob Church
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xaosflux wrote:
Now that I've sent my last post saying {{mirror}} wasn't a good example, I see where it's being used. The problem doesn't seem to be in using signatures containing pipes in templates, but in tables, where pipe is a delimiter.
Tables also use pipes, but in Mirror the | breaks each parameter too soon. The problem is the same no matter how the parameters were rendered. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Superm401/Sandbox/BrokenMirror .
Matthew Flaschen
[Matthew Flaschen matthew.flaschen@gatech.edu, 2007-01-07 03.29 CET]
xaosflux wrote:
Now that I've sent my last post saying {{mirror}} wasn't a good example, I see where it's being used. The problem doesn't seem to be in using signatures containing pipes in templates, but in tables, where pipe is a delimiter.
Tables also use pipes, but in Mirror the | breaks each parameter too soon. The problem is the same no matter how the parameters were rendered. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Superm401/Sandbox/BrokenMirror .
You can just replace the | in your signature with <nowiki>|</nowiki>. Perhaps also recommend it in WP:SIG for others with the same problem.
Carlos wrote:
[Matthew Flaschen matthew.flaschen@gatech.edu, 2007-01-07 03.29 CET]
xaosflux wrote:
Now that I've sent my last post saying {{mirror}} wasn't a good example, I see where it's being used. The problem doesn't seem to be in using signatures containing pipes in templates, but in tables, where pipe is a delimiter.
Tables also use pipes, but in Mirror the | breaks each parameter too soon. The problem is the same no matter how the parameters were rendered. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Superm401/Sandbox/BrokenMirror .
You can just replace the | in your signature with <nowiki>|</nowiki>. Perhaps also recommend it in WP:SIG for others with the same problem.
... or the slightly saner and smaller | ...
Alphax (Wikipedia email) wrote:
Perhaps also recommend it in WP:SIG for others with the same problem.
... or the slightly saner and smaller | ...
Good call, though it isn't specifically about mine (I've changed it to "-" by now). It would be cool if Mediawiki automatically changed pipe to | outside of templates, tables, links, etc. in the sig, but...
Matthew Flaschen
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The only way I can see that this could possibly work today would be to either create a list of characters that can not be used in signatures (like |,},etc) <A horribly bad idea IMHO> or ensure that any templates that are designed to have a signature in them do not break upon odd characters (again, not likely to happen). This seems to be a case of "when I put my signature in side a template it breaks", so stop doing that or {{sofixit}}. OP, now that I've said that, can we get an example of a template that should have signatures in it that is not working, so we can help use it for testing and see if there is a fix? (The {{mirror}} template cited does not appear to be designed to have a signature in it anywhere).
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Garrett" andrew@epstone.net To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Default signature - --Xaosflux wrote:
Seems like {{delete|I created this page by mistake}} would suffice there?
... We're not in the business of providing individual examples and counter-examples. Suffice to say there is no good reason *not* to support signatures in templates - and people do use signatures in templates - so we should support it.
Andrew Garrett (Werdna)
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On 1/6/07, xaosflux xaosflux@gmail.com wrote:
The only way I can see that this could possibly work today would be to either create a list of characters that can not be used in signatures (like |,},etc) <A horribly bad idea IMHO> or ensure that any templates that are designed to have a signature in them do not break upon odd characters (again, not likely to happen).
Well, the straightforward way to fix it (should we want to) would be to just substitute sigs after everything else. Then they wouldn't be able to break anything.
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If this did happen, wouldn't they just break the page the next time it was edited?
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simetrical" Simetrical+wikitech@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia developers" wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Default signature
On 1/6/07, xaosflux xaosflux@gmail.com wrote:
The only way I can see that this could possibly work today would be to either create a list of characters that can not be used in signatures (like |,},etc) <A horribly bad idea IMHO> or ensure that any templates that are designed to have a signature in them do not break upon odd characters (again, not likely to happen).
Well, the straightforward way to fix it (should we want to) would be to just substitute sigs after everything else. Then they wouldn't be able to break anything.
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On 1/6/07, xaosflux xaosflux@gmail.com wrote:
If this did happen, wouldn't they just break the page the next time it was edited?
Hmm. I suppose so. I guess I was thinking of substing, but yes, it would make things even more confusing for transclusion.
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