effe iets anders wrote:
Forwarding to Wikitech-l, maybe you know more of a solution?
Write letters to members of parliament. Talk to the press. Vote for the other guy. Get yourself beaten up and thrown in jail. You know, the usual stuff.
The problem with technical solutions is that the more popular they become, the easier they are to undermine. Crypto-anarchism has never solved anything. Civil unrest has a better track record.
-- Tim Starling
Syria it's a republic with one party (only one party).
Ilario
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Write letters to members of parliament. Talk to the press. Vote for the other guy. Get yourself beaten up and thrown in jail. You know, the usual stuff.
Ilario Valdelli wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
Write letters to members of parliament. Talk to the press. Vote for the other guy. Get yourself beaten up and thrown in jail. You know, the usual stuff.
Syria it's a republic with one party (only one party).
I stand by what I said, but I don't think this is the best place to discuss Syrian politics.
-- Tim Starling
It's a political matter because Wikipedia cannot be controlled and the simple control is to block IPs.
The arabic people cannot oppose resistance because it's not a democracy, the simple solution it's to use the same workaround followed in the China scenario.
Ilario
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
I stand by what I said, but I don't think this is the best place to discuss Syrian politics.
-- Tim Starling
Ilario Valdelli wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
I stand by what I said, but I don't think this is the best place to discuss Syrian politics.
It's a political matter because Wikipedia cannot be controlled and the simple control is to block IPs.
The arabic people cannot oppose resistance because it's not a democracy, the simple solution it's to use the same workaround followed in the China scenario.
In China, members of the local Wikipedia community wrote letters to the people in power there, encouraging them to unblock Wikipedia. They talked to the press and put their case forward. This was briefly successful, Wikipedia was unblocked for a few months, until orders came through from a higher authority for it to be reblocked.
As a result, Wikipedia is not popular in China. It won't become popular unless it is unblocked, or unless the block ceases to be enforced.
Technical workarounds are only available to a technically competent and sufficiently motivated minority.
-- Tim Starling
2008/5/19 Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org:
In China, members of the local Wikipedia community wrote letters to the people in power there, encouraging them to unblock Wikipedia. They talked to the press and put their case forward. This was briefly successful, Wikipedia was unblocked for a few months, until orders came through from a higher authority for it to be reblocked. As a result, Wikipedia is not popular in China. It won't become popular unless it is unblocked, or unless the block ceases to be enforced.
Note, by the way, that Wikimedia still (as far as I know) has had no official contacts or requests on the topic of making Wikipedia more suitable for the PRC government.
- d.
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