James,
I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by doing something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table from Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of Cascadia Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all with poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting into MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried for the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
Hear hear.
The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
James,
I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by doing something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table from Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of Cascadia Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all with poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting into MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried for the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.*
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Pine,
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.
- Trevor
On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hear hear.
The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com javascript:;>:
James,
I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by doing something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table
from
Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of Cascadia Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all
with
poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting into MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried for the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
not
know.*
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I second that. This is an awesome addition. I blogged about it the other day after we dockerized mediawiki. We automated the whole installation in case you want to check it out http://thinkinginsoftware.blogspot.com/2015/04/dockerized-mediawiki-125-upgr...
The reason we migrated is because of the promise of Visual Editor and it did not let us down. We tried first the wikipedia version and we said "we must switch" immediately ;-)
Great job and congratulations to everyone!
- Nestor
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine,
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.
- Trevor
On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hear hear.
The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com javascript:;>:
James,
I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by
doing
something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table
from
Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of
Cascadia
Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all
with
poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting
into
MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried
for
the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock
of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the
broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
not
know.*
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Hi Trevor,
I tried a CSV copy and paste as you suggested, but that doesn't work for me. The only workflow that is successful is spreadsheet -> word processor -> VisualEditor. I can't drag a CSV file into VisualEditor, nor can I copy directly from a spreadsheet and paste into VisualEditor. It would be great to have those capabilities.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine,
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.
- Trevor
On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hear hear.
The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com javascript:;>:
James,
I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by
doing
something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table
from
Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of
Cascadia
Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all
with
poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting
into
MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried
for
the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock
of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the
broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
not
know.*
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On 15 April 2015 at 14:55, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Trevor,
I tried a CSV copy and paste as you suggested, but that doesn't work for me.
Ah, no, CSV and TSV support is for drag-and-drop, not copy-and-paste (which is plain text content):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VisualEditor_-_demonstration_of_CSV_...
Drag-and-drop of plain text and HTML files inserts the contents, as you might expect.
Once it's something that the UploadWizard team can support, we plan that drag-and-drop of files will upload them to Commons (with a prompt for licensing, naturally) and insert them in context. This is something I'm quite keen to see. :-)
Hope this helps.
J.
Thanks James, unfortunately the method that you demonstrate there doesn't work with my configuration. Nothing happens when I try that method with Firefox, and when I try it with Internet Explorer then IE asks me if I want to open the file. Maybe that functionality is specific to Chrome? It would be great to extend it to other browsers.
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:05 PM, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 15 April 2015 at 14:55, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Trevor,
I tried a CSV copy and paste as you suggested, but that doesn't work for me.
Ah, no, CSV and TSV support is for drag-and-drop, not copy-and-paste (which is plain text content):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VisualEditor_-_demonstration_of_CSV_...
Drag-and-drop of plain text and HTML files inserts the contents, as you might expect.
Once it's something that the UploadWizard team can support, we plan that drag-and-drop of files will upload them to Commons (with a prompt for licensing, naturally) and insert them in context. This is something I'm quite keen to see. :-)
Hope this helps.
J.
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On 15 April 2015 at 17:59, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks James, unfortunately the method that you demonstrate there doesn't work with my configuration. Nothing happens when I try that method with Firefox, and when I try it with Internet Explorer then IE asks me if I want to open the file. Maybe that functionality is specific to Chrome?
Nope, works fine in Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari testing locally. Possibly something's odd about your system, or we missed something that makes it break in some circumstances – could you please file a task in Phabricator? Thanks.
J.
On 15 April 2015 at 18:12, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 15 April 2015 at 17:59, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks James, unfortunately the method that you demonstrate there doesn't work with my configuration. Nothing happens when I try that method with Firefox, and when I try it with Internet Explorer then IE asks me if I want to open the file. Maybe that functionality is specific to Chrome?
Nope, works fine in Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari testing locally. Possibly something's odd about your system, or we missed something that makes it break in some circumstances – could you please file a task in Phabricator? Thanks.
To close the loop on this bug, Pine gave us the data [*] to find the issue and fix it; this will roll out to test wikis on Wednesday 22 April, and to Wikipedias on 29 April in the usual way . Many thanks !.
[*] – https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96218
J.
On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.
In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane way to edit tables.
Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
- d.
On Apr 16, 2015 6:55 AM, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can
be
dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.
We're planning one, if not a few! Fabrice and the blog team are thinking about how to best showcase VE on the blog, from user and technical perspectives. (Posts highlighting engineering work are among of the most highly trafficked on the blog).
I'd welcome thoughts on what you think we should specifically cover.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and
Copy/Paste.
In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane way to edit tables.
Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
- d.
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+1 on blog post. I think it's finally time to celebrate success here. I was using VE for table editing the other day, and it worked amazingly well. Nice job, y'all. - J
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Apr 16, 2015 6:55 AM, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can
be
dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.
We're planning one, if not a few! Fabrice and the blog team are thinking about how to best showcase VE on the blog, from user and technical perspectives. (Posts highlighting engineering work are among of the most highly trafficked on the blog).
I'd welcome thoughts on what you think we should specifically cover.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and
Copy/Paste.
In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane way to edit tables.
Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
- d.
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Regarding blog posting, I agree it's a good idea. Might want to wait on advertising the CSV import until it works for all users, which sounds like it will be April 29. In the meantime though, there could be a series of blog posts about other good aspects of VE.
I suggest heavily emphasizing the faster load times and how this was achieved. That post would appeal both to Wikipedians who were upset about lengthy load times with early versions of VE, and to software engineers who may be interested in knowing how such significant improvements were achieved.
I'm planning to produce a short video tutorial about VE for the benefit of people who are attending Cascadia Wikimedians workshops in the near future, and others can reuse it if they wish. However, I think that including a video demonstration of the CSV import technique would be valuable, and that will need to wait until after the functionality is rolled out on the 29th, so early May might be a realistic timeframe for having a video of high enough quality that it would be worth advertising. Of course, others can proceed on their own with communicating improvements about VE, and a series of blog posts sounds like a good way to do that, perhaps one a week for the next few weeks.
Cheers,
Pine
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*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Apr 16, 2015 6:55 AM, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 April 2015 at 09:38, Trevor Parscal tparscal@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can
be
dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
We need a blog post about what VE is like these days. I suspect too many people who tried it at release think it still intrinsically sucks, and need to give it a spin again now, two years later.
We're planning one, if not a few! Fabrice and the blog team are thinking about how to best showcase VE on the blog, from user and technical perspectives. (Posts highlighting engineering work are among of the most highly trafficked on the blog).
I'd welcome thoughts on what you think we should specifically cover.
Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and
Copy/Paste.
In particular, listing all the cool stuff you can do with tables. You can take out a column with a click instead of tediously going through each line and trying not to make a mistake!! The VE is the *only* sane way to edit tables.
Seriously, it warrants the hype these days.
And, three cheers for Ed. Hip hooray! Hip hooray! Hip hooray!
- d.
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