Tech Talk: Nothing Left but Always Right: The Twisted Road to RTL Support: November 2

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Rachel Farrand

28 Oct 2015 28 Oct '15

8:53 p.m.

Please join for the following tech talk: *Tech Talk**:* Nothing Left but Always Right: The Twisted Road to RTL Support *Presenter:* Moriel Schottlender *Date:* November 02, 2015 *Time: *20:00 UTC <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Tech+Talk%3A+Nothing+Left+but+Always+Right%3A+The+Twisted+Road+to+RTL+Support&iso=20151102T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> Link to live YouTube stream <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM> *IRC channel for questions/discussion:* #wikimedia-office Google+ page <https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/103470172168784626509/events/ck5ibgn8l2t056h5rii90fv6ne4>, another place for questions *Summary: *There are roughly 500 million speakers of Right-to-Left languages all over the world, and 16 RTL Wikipedias, but support of right-to-left languages on the Web in general is so abysmal that it is hard to find a single piece of software that properly supports all the necessary behaviors. And yet, that's exactly what we're committed on doing for Wikipedia's right-to-left users. This talk will demonstrate the challenges that the web poses for Right to Left languages, some of the solutions that are available, and some of the work we've been doing to make RTL users' experience better.

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Rachel Farrand

2 Nov 2 Nov

7:26 p.m.

Reminder: This talk is starting in 35 min On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Rachel Farrand <rfarrand(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Rachel Farrand

3 Nov 3 Nov

7:20 p.m.

If you missed this talk and would like to view the recording, here is the link: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* It has been released under a creative commons license. If you have any questions please get in touch with Moriel < mschottlender(a)wikimedia.org <slaporte(a)wikimedia.org>> You can check out past tech talk recordings at the MediaWiki YouTube page here: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg4wlhlN8RjP6_e_vMC4CTA If you have an idea for a future tech talk that you would like to nominate one, please add your suggestions here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Calendar/How_to_schedule_an_event/Te… On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Rachel Farrand <rfarrand(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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DaB.

9:25 p.m.

Hello, Am 03.11.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rachel Farrand:

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<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* It has been released under a creative commons license.

may I ask why it was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? Sincerely, DaB. -- Benutzerseite: [[:w:de:User:DaB.]] PGP: 0x7CD1E35FD2A3A158 (pka und OpenPGPKey funktionieren)

Andre Klapper

11:04 p.m.

On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 22:25 +0100, DaB. wrote:

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Am 03.11.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rachel Farrand:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* It has been released under a creative commons license.

may I ask why it was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons?

I once uploaded a Hangout/Youtube video to Commons by following https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:YouTube_files and it felt cumbersome - in my humble opinion our tool chain is currently very "manual" in this area. Would love to see something similar to the Flickr import support in UploadWizard. andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

Moriel Schottlender

11:43 p.m.

I'm not sure about uploading the video to Commons properly, but this did remind me to upload the slides to commons. They're available here now: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nothing_Left_but_Always_Right_-_The… On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 22:25 +0100, DaB. wrote:

Am 03.11.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rachel Farrand:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* It has been released under a creative commons license.

may I ask why it was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons?

-- No trees were harmed in the creation of this post. But billions of electrons, photons, and electromagnetic waves were terribly inconvenienced during its transmission!

Amir Ladsgroup

4 Nov 4 Nov

1:04 a.m.

Thanks Moriel. It was amazing. i shared it in Persian Wikipedia's technical village pump <https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%82%D9%87%D9%88%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87/%D9%81%D9%86%DB%8C#Nothing_left_but_always_right> and several other places. Even developers who are native in RTL languages should know better about how it works. that's why I find your talk super useful. It motivated me to take a look at this workboard <http://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/rtl> and plan for some patches here and there. P.S. One of my friends told me about difference in google hangout RTL support. He said it happens maybe because one of them uses GWT <http://www.gwtproject.org/javadoc/latest/com/google/gwt/i18n/shared/BidiFormatter.html> and the other one don't. Best On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:14 AM Moriel Schottlender <moriel(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 22:25 +0100, DaB. wrote:

Am 03.11.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rachel Farrand:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* It has been released under a creative commons license.

may I ask why it was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons?

-- No trees were harmed in the creation of this post. But billions of electrons, photons, and electromagnetic waves were terribly inconvenienced during its transmission! _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Toby Negrin

4:30 p.m.

I learned something from every slide in the deck. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise Moriel! Looking forward to watching the video. -Toby On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thanks Moriel. It was amazing. i shared it in Persian Wikipedia's technical village pump < https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF…

and several other places. Even developers who are native in RTL languages should know better about how it works. that's why I find your talk super useful. It motivated me to take a look at this workboard <http://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/rtl> and plan for some patches here and there. P.S. One of my friends told me about difference in google hangout RTL support. He said it happens maybe because one of them uses GWT < http://www.gwtproject.org/javadoc/latest/com/google/gwt/i18n/shared/BidiFor…

and the other one don't. Best On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:14 AM Moriel Schottlender <moriel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure about uploading the video to Commons properly, but this did > remind me to upload the slides to commons.

> They're available here now:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nothing_Left_but_Always_Right_-_The…

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote:

> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 22:25 +0100, DaB. wrote: > > > Am 03.11.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rachel Farrand: > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* > > > > It has been released under a creative commons license. > >

> > > may I ask why it was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? >

> > I once uploaded a Hangout/Youtube video to Commons by following > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:YouTube_files > > and it felt cumbersome - in my humble opinion our tool chain is > > currently very "manual" in this area. Would love to see something > > similar to the Flickr import support in UploadWizard. >

> > andre > > -- > > Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler > > http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ >

> > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >

> -- > No trees were harmed in the creation of this post. > But billions of electrons, photons, and electromagnetic waves were terribly

inconvenienced during its transmission! _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Tilman Bayer

6:48 a.m.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: ..

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In my experience - I have transferred quite a few metrics meeting videos to Commons - it's actually quite painless once one has settled on a download solution from that page and discovered https://tools.wmflabs.org/videoconvert for the conversion and upload steps (the only downside is that the video conversion is relatively slow with that tool). -- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB

Legoktm

6:04 a.m.

Hi, On 11/03/2015 01:25 PM, DaB. wrote:

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Hello, Am 03.11.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rachel Farrand:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLdHuFRGgM>* It has been released under a creative commons license.

may I ask why it was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons?

I (independently) spoke with Rachel about doing this today, and have uploaded this one to start with[1], and will work on uploading the rest of them to Commons. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tech_Talk_-_Nothing_Left_but_Always… -- Legoktm

Moriel Schottlender

6:59 a.m.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Legoktm <legoktm.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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You rock. That's great, thank you!

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Amir Ladsgroup
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DaB.
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Moriel Schottlender
Rachel Farrand
Tilman Bayer
Toby Negrin