On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: FWIW, I'm also frequently on IRC (like now). I asked a question on #wikimedia-dev a little bit ago which is relevant to my research on this conversation, since it looks like I'm going to be part of this conversation whether I want to or not. As of a few minutes ago, I'm also on #wikimedia-design, which is probably a little more targeted. A big reason why we invest in an office rather than just have everyone everywhere work from home all of the time is that face-to-face conversations are often very high bandwidth and the type that many (most?) people are best equipped to deal with in a way that doesn't cause unnecessary escalation of tension. I made the offer for an in-person conversation because I think I can provide our office conversations with a healthy dose of "Helvetica Neue" skepticism, and I suspect Brad will be relieved that it won't be all on him to defend his viewpoint. I also suspect you and I may be reasonably well-aligned on this issue, too. Rob

David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: +1. In a physical meeting, there is higher bandwith, but a lot of the payload can be pity, intimidation, "nobody leaves before we have an agreement", etc. Tim

Le 19/02/2014 09:34, Gryllida a écrit : Since IRC is more or less real time, that dismiss feedback from people not in the room (ie sleeping because of different timezone, not paying attention etc). So yeah if you want quick feedback for something small, IRC is nice. Else mailing list must be used to reach a wider audience. The meetings are nice when you want to start the process or to close it. They also get you to the point faster than day long mailing lists debates. -- Antoine "hashar" Musso