Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions? ----- Yury Katkov
Theoretically I guess it's capable with the API and whatnot, but I don't think it's been attempted (or at least not to the extent you're implying). It'd be interesting.
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
Yury Katkov
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It's possible, but it would be a little ugly. You could write a web frontend to what would basically be a proxy handling the work on the backend over the api. However, there is no secure way for a user to login through something like that, so all of the edits would have to come from your app and not the user. Alternatively, you could write a javascript (or flash) application, and get it approved to make CORS/crossdomain requests to the target MediaWiki api, so the user would be making api calls directly. Getting the wiki admin to approve domains, or add a crossdomain.xml file may or may not be a problem for you.
OAuth will make the delegated authorization easier, but unfortunately the priority for getting OAuth integrated with MediaWiki is lower than some other critical projects right now, so it will be a few months before this is possible.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
Yury Katkov
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have you seen the customization that wikia.com has done? it is a step in the right direction for social integration.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Chris Steipp csteipp@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's possible, but it would be a little ugly. You could write a web frontend to what would basically be a proxy handling the work on the backend over the api. However, there is no secure way for a user to login through something like that, so all of the edits would have to come from your app and not the user. Alternatively, you could write a javascript (or flash) application, and get it approved to make CORS/crossdomain requests to the target MediaWiki api, so the user would be making api calls directly. Getting the wiki admin to approve domains, or add a crossdomain.xml file may or may not be a problem for you.
OAuth will make the delegated authorization easier, but unfortunately the priority for getting OAuth integrated with MediaWiki is lower than some other critical projects right now, so it will be a few months before this is possible.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
Yury Katkov
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Yes, that's a good example of how to be closer to people. However I think that the MediaWiki social network client can be use in case of really big crowdsourcing projects where we want to grasp a large amount of people. Most of the Russian internet users sitting in vk.com social network all the time. ----- Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
have you seen the customization that wikia.com has done? it is a step in the right direction for social integration.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Chris Steipp csteipp@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's possible, but it would be a little ugly. You could write a web frontend to what would basically be a proxy handling the work on the backend over the api. However, there is no secure way for a user to login through something like that, so all of the edits would have to come from your app and not the user. Alternatively, you could write a javascript (or flash) application, and get it approved to make CORS/crossdomain requests to the target MediaWiki api, so the user would be making api calls directly. Getting the wiki admin to approve domains, or add a crossdomain.xml file may or may not be a problem for you.
OAuth will make the delegated authorization easier, but unfortunately the priority for getting OAuth integrated with MediaWiki is lower than some other critical projects right now, so it will be a few months before this is possible.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
Yury Katkov
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
MediaWiki social network client
tell me more, links?
There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the projects where users need to - vote for the articles or - add really small fragments of text - or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or - categorize and tagged the articles... these are all very small activities. The idea is that those activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be even gamified! ----- Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
MediaWiki social network client
tell me more, links?
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Yuri, I agree with you 100% this is a good idea and would help out alot. I have also had similar ideas! mike
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the projects where users need to
- vote for the articles or
- add really small fragments of text
- or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
- categorize and tagged the articles...
these are all very small activities. The idea is that those activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be even gamified!
Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
MediaWiki social network client
tell me more, links?
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Maybe we can brainstorm this idea a little bit together? I have several crowdsourcing projects and I always suspect that the pure wiki editing requires too much motivation and it's not the best approach in many cases. ----- Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Yuri, I agree with you 100% this is a good idea and would help out alot. I have also had similar ideas! mike
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the projects where users need to
- vote for the articles or
- add really small fragments of text
- or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
- categorize and tagged the articles...
these are all very small activities. The idea is that those activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be even gamified!
Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
MediaWiki social network client
tell me more, links?
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well what about the user granting you the rights to the comments etc under certain conditions and they just use fb and pull that data in via the api. so you would have some pages that are autogenerated via fb, you might have Talk:page for normal users and FB:Page for fb users.
mike
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe we can brainstorm this idea a little bit together? I have several crowdsourcing projects and I always suspect that the pure wiki editing requires too much motivation and it's not the best approach in many cases.
Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Yuri, I agree with you 100% this is a good idea and would help out alot. I have also had similar ideas! mike
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the projects where users need to
- vote for the articles or
- add really small fragments of text
- or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
- categorize and tagged the articles...
these are all very small activities. The idea is that those activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be even gamified!
Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
MediaWiki social network client
tell me more, links?
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Hi Yury,
we experimented with MediaWiki as a Facebook-App. Basically this is using MW in an iFrame and passing through the Facebook authentication. Articles can be liked and commented via FB. When you edit something, it publishes that to the user's stream.
Here's a prototype, in German though: https://www.facebook.com/ComputerTest/app_242056765902153
Cheers, Markus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Yury Katkov Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2012 19:45 An: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list; Wikimedia developers Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?
Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions? ----- Yury Katkov
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Wow, nice! Ok, it's possible to log the users in (with some warnings but still). Very well.
The goal here is to substitute the complex MediaWiki UI with some simple and beautifully-looking social network apps to eventually bring more users to the wiki.
Mike Dupont started the list of activities that can be done for the wiki using the social network UI: 1) commenting, likes What other one-click valuable activities I can imagine: 2) Voting and rating the articles. Agreeing or disagreeing with some small sections. 3) making friends that will be reflected in the wiki with the help of social extensions 4) reading news. RSS of any wiki sucks and here the admins can form the human-readable news about the life on a wiki 5) categorizing articles or (much better) images and media files
I'm not sure that '''editing''' can be made more easy with the help of social network client. Any ideas on that? any ideas on what else can be made more engaging with the power of social networks?
----- Yury Katkov
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Markus Glaser glaser@hallowelt.biz wrote:
Hi Yury,
we experimented with MediaWiki as a Facebook-App. Basically this is using MW in an iFrame and passing through the Facebook authentication. Articles can be liked and commented via FB. When you edit something, it publishes that to the user's stream.
Here's a prototype, in German though: https://www.facebook.com/ComputerTest/app_242056765902153
Cheers, Markus
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Hi everyone!
Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
Yury Katkov
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure that '''editing''' can be made more easy with the help of social network client. Any ideas on that? any ideas on what else can be made more engaging with the power of social networks?
Well what if people can click on a bit of text and comment on it, they could suggest in that comment that the text is replaced.
mike
hmmm, much like the blips on Google Wave? ----- Yury Katkov
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure that '''editing''' can be made more easy with the help of social network client. Any ideas on that? any ideas on what else can be made more engaging with the power of social networks?
Well what if people can click on a bit of text and comment on it, they could suggest in that comment that the text is replaced.
mike
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
hmmm, much like the blips on Google Wave?
like line comments in github : https://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/wikiteam/commit/4da7f7f4a813b53be13bff7e29a1e5...
We need a way to track and rate comments and then we can resolve them with changes after people have stormed over them.
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