Hoi, There are several bots who work on almost all projects of a kind. Particularly on the smallest projects where there is no bureaucrat, it is not easy to get a bot status. The consequence is that on these small projects it is harder then necessary to establish if there has been some regular activity.
When an account with more then existing 10 profiles and bot flags is allowed to be a SUL account, this would make vandalism and regular activity a lot more visible. Thanks, GerardM
On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There are several bots who work on almost all projects of a kind. Particularly on the smallest projects where there is no bureaucrat, it is not easy to get a bot status. The consequence is that on these small projects it is harder then necessary to establish if there has been some regular activity.
When an account with more then existing 10 profiles and bot flags is allowed to be a SUL account, this would make vandalism and regular activity a lot more visible.
I'm not sure I understand you. Are you suggesting that once a global account has 10 local bot flags, they get some kind of global bot flag?
If so, I would be opposed to that. Bot policy is a matter for individual projects. Should 10 projects be able to impose decisions on all the rest?
Hoi, No when there are ten accounts with a bot flag, I would trust that account and give it a SUL account with bot flags. Assume some good faith; the point is that particularly in the 100 or so Wikipedias with less then 1000 articles there IS no bureaucrat and a lot of time IS wasted.
In a perfect world all our Wikipedias have more then 1000 articles and have a full localisation. Sadly we can strive to make it so but there is a long way ahead of us. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There are several bots who work on almost all projects of a kind. Particularly on the smallest projects where there is no bureaucrat, it
is
not easy to get a bot status. The consequence is that on these small projects it is harder then necessary to establish if there has been
some
regular activity.
When an account with more then existing 10 profiles and bot flags is
allowed
to be a SUL account, this would make vandalism and regular activity a
lot
more visible.
I'm not sure I understand you. Are you suggesting that once a global account has 10 local bot flags, they get some kind of global bot flag?
If so, I would be opposed to that. Bot policy is a matter for individual projects. Should 10 projects be able to impose decisions on all the rest?
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On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, No when there are ten accounts with a bot flag, I would trust that account and give it a SUL account with bot flags. Assume some good faith; the point is that particularly in the 100 or so Wikipedias with less then 1000 articles there IS no bureaucrat and a lot of time IS wasted.
What do you mean by "a SUL account with bot flags"? As far as I know, there is nothing stopping accounts with bot flags from being merged as any other account would be. The bot flags won't go anywhere, either. You seem to be suggesting that they be given bot flags on all the other projects too - that's what I mean by a global bot flag (exactly how it is implemented isn't really relevant). It's not a matter of good or bad faith, it's a matter of different policies. For example, some small projects may be willing to hand out bot flags quite freely because they don't have the resources to check them thoroughly, while large projects like to check through the code and have the bot do some trial runs, etc. With your system, 10 projects handing out flags freely would override other projects wanting to be more careful.
In a perfect world all our Wikipedias have more then 1000 articles and have a full localisation. Sadly we can strive to make it so but there is a long way ahead of us. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There are several bots who work on almost all projects of a kind. Particularly on the smallest projects where there is no bureaucrat, it
is
not easy to get a bot status. The consequence is that on these small projects it is harder then necessary to establish if there has been
some
regular activity.
When an account with more then existing 10 profiles and bot flags is
allowed
to be a SUL account, this would make vandalism and regular activity a
lot
more visible.
I'm not sure I understand you. Are you suggesting that once a global account has 10 local bot flags, they get some kind of global bot flag?
If so, I would be opposed to that. Bot policy is a matter for individual projects. Should 10 projects be able to impose decisions on all the rest?
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The obvious solution is to allow wikis to opt out of global bot flags and respect only local bot flags. If this is done, there's no problem. The problem is purely technical (and not horribly difficult, probably Werdna will do it sometime).
On 10/04/2008, Simetrical Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
The obvious solution is to allow wikis to opt out of global bot flags and respect only local bot flags. If this is done, there's no problem. The problem is purely technical (and not horribly difficult, probably Werdna will do it sometime).
That would be good. I hadn't thought of a project opting out of global flags entirely, I'd thought of it as something that would need to be done on an account-by-account basis, which wouldn't be ideal (although would be a good option to have if anyone cares to code it).
Hoi, Most of the projects with less then 1000 articles do not have a bot policy or a bureaucrat ... that is a completely different world. When I say assume good faith, I would like you to trust a person who has been able to gain 10 bot flags already... Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, No when there are ten accounts with a bot flag, I would trust that
account
and give it a SUL account with bot flags. Assume some good faith; the
point
is that particularly in the 100 or so Wikipedias with less then 1000 articles there IS no bureaucrat and a lot of time IS wasted.
What do you mean by "a SUL account with bot flags"? As far as I know, there is nothing stopping accounts with bot flags from being merged as any other account would be. The bot flags won't go anywhere, either. You seem to be suggesting that they be given bot flags on all the other projects too - that's what I mean by a global bot flag (exactly how it is implemented isn't really relevant). It's not a matter of good or bad faith, it's a matter of different policies. For example, some small projects may be willing to hand out bot flags quite freely because they don't have the resources to check them thoroughly, while large projects like to check through the code and have the bot do some trial runs, etc. With your system, 10 projects handing out flags freely would override other projects wanting to be more careful.
In a perfect world all our Wikipedias have more then 1000 articles and
have
a full localisation. Sadly we can strive to make it so but there is a
long
way ahead of us. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com
wrote:
On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There are several bots who work on almost all projects of a kind. Particularly on the smallest projects where there is no
bureaucrat, it
is
not easy to get a bot status. The consequence is that on these
small
projects it is harder then necessary to establish if there has
been
some
regular activity.
When an account with more then existing 10 profiles and bot flags
is
allowed
to be a SUL account, this would make vandalism and regular
activity a
lot
more visible.
I'm not sure I understand you. Are you suggesting that once a global account has 10 local bot flags, they get some kind of global bot
flag?
If so, I would be opposed to that. Bot policy is a matter for individual projects. Should 10 projects be able to impose decisions
on
all the rest?
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On 10/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Most of the projects with less then 1000 articles do not have a bot policy or a bureaucrat ... that is a completely different world. When I say assume good faith, I would like you to trust a person who has been able to gain 10 bot flags already...
There is more to trust than good faith. To trust someone you need to trust that they won't act maliciously (that's the good faith part) but also that they are competent. That's where different policies are significant.
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are several bots who work on almost all projects of a kind. Particularly on the smallest projects where there is no bureaucrat, it is not easy to get a bot status. The consequence is that on these small projects it is harder then necessary to establish if there has been some regular activity.
When an account with more then existing 10 profiles and bot flags is allowed to be a SUL account, this would make vandalism and regular activity a lot more visible. Thanks, GerardM
I think a global bot flag would be better. The CentralAuth system may have to be optimized to have it, though.
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