"Delirium" wrote:
Timwi wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Timwi wrote:
You should probably give us more information on how Greek month names work. You have only told us what does *not* work. I might be able to come up with a technical solution if you explain to me what morphological properties of Greek need to be satisfied in the month names.
There may be cases I'm not covering, but for the one I can immediately see in the interface, the issue is that "day month" type dates use the possessive form of the month name, while month names used by themselves use a simple noun form.
[... etc. ... 'Maios' vs. '5h Maiou']
Ah-ha. I kind of thought so. So why don't you just do this:
- Set the month name to "Maio"
- In a sentence like "{{MONTHNAME}} is nice", write "{{MONTHNAME}}s
estis bioutiphulos"
- Set the date format to "{{DAY}} {{MONTHNAME}}u {{YEAR}}"
Well, unfortunately one part I had left out were the accents, which shift when the word becomes possessive. To take the example from Andreas's email, the simple noun form of June is "Io?nios", whereas the possessive form is "Ioun?ou". So it would really need a separate {{MONTHNAMEPOSSESSIVE}} or something of that sort.
-Mark
I think that in most of the languages the "{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}u" solution will solve the problem. (In Hebrew, for example, we say "Yanuar" for Jan, but "15 beYanuar" for Jan 15 - of course, in Hebrew chcracters - and when a date is needed, we use to write "{{CURRENTDAY}} be{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}" and it's all fine.)
Anyway, I have a different solution: There is another already-present month template - {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} - that I don't know for which purpose it is used, but it seems to be really redundant. So, you can use {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} for the simple form and {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} for possessive, etc.
Naftali
Delirium wrote:
/ Timwi wrote:
/>/ />>/ Delirium wrote: />>/ />>>/ There may be cases I'm not covering, but for the one I can />>>/ immediately see in the interface, the issue is that "day month" type />>>/ dates use the possessive form of the month name, while month names />>>/ used by themselves use a simple noun form. />>/ />>/ [... etc. ... 'Maios' vs. '5h Maiou'] />>/ />>/ Ah-ha. I kind of thought so. So why don't you just do this: />>/ />>/ - Set the month name to "Maio" />>/ - In a sentence like "{{MONTHNAME}} is nice", write "{{MONTHNAME}}s />>/ estis bioutiphulos" />>/ - Set the date format to "{{DAY}} {{MONTHNAME}}u {{YEAR}}" />>/ http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l />/ />/ Well, unfortunately one part I had left out were the accents, which />/ shift when the word becomes possessive. To take the example from />/ Andreas's email, the simple noun form of June is "Iou'nios", whereas the />/ possessive form is "Iouni'ou". So it would really need a separate />/ {{MONTHNAMEPOSSESSIVE}} or something of that sort. / OK. Next idea:
(1) Set the month names to be the possessive forms, e.g. "Iouni'ou", so they can be used normally in dates throughout the site. (2) Create thingies in the Template namespace that contain the nominative forms, e.g. [[Template:Nominative-Iouni'ou]] would contain "Iou'nios". (3) Whenever you need the nominative, instead of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} write {{Nominative-{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}}.
How's that? Timwi
Sorry for not responding earlier on this (since I started it). It seems that something went wrong with my delivery of list messages and I had to look into the Web archives. Anyway:
Concerning the Greek names for months and the way they work you can look in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection for nice explanation and reference. I believe the above suggestion by Timwi seems to solve the problem. Of course somebody needs to remember what we are doing here so that in the future it stays that way.
So the possessive case of Greek months along with their abbreviation, after the comma, are (please keep the dots in abbreviations, it looks much better in Greek):
??????????, ???. ???????????, ????. ???????, ????. ????????, ???. ?????, ????? ???????, ????. ???????, ????. ?????????, ???. ???????????, ????. ?????????, ???. ?????????, ?????. ??????????, ???.
I also attach a UTF-8 txt file with the above. Now somebody needs to load all these. Thanx Andreas =========================
e-mail: Andreas.Kasenides_at_cs.ucy.ac.cy mailto:Andreas.Kasenides%20at%20cs.ucy.ac.cy
(replace the _at_ above with @)
Ιανουαρίου, Ιαν. Φεβρουαρίου, Φεβρ. Μαρτίου, Μαρτ. Απριλίου, Απρ. Μαΐου, Μαΐου Ιουνίου, Ιουν. Ιουλίου, Ιουλ. Αυγούστου, Αυγ. Σεπτεμβρίου, Σεπτ. Οκτωβρίου, Οκτ. Νοεμβρίου, Νοεμβ. Δεκεμβρίου, Δεκ.
Could one of the developers, please, take up this task and load the modified month names and abbreviations as it is described below? This will help a lot in making a calendar of events, anniversaries etc. in Greek. Thanks Andreas
Andreas Kasenides wrote:
Delirium wrote:
/ Timwi wrote:
/>/ />>/ Delirium wrote: />>/ />>>/ There may be cases I'm not covering, but for the one I can />>>/ immediately see in the interface, the issue is that "day month" type />>>/ dates use the possessive form of the month name, while month names />>>/ used by themselves use a simple noun form. />>/ />>/ [... etc. ... 'Maios' vs. '5h Maiou'] />>/ />>/ Ah-ha. I kind of thought so. So why don't you just do this: />>/ />>/ - Set the month name to "Maio" />>/ - In a sentence like "{{MONTHNAME}} is nice", write "{{MONTHNAME}}s />>/ estis bioutiphulos" />>/ - Set the date format to "{{DAY}} {{MONTHNAME}}u {{YEAR}}" />>/ http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l />/ />/ Well, unfortunately one part I had left out were the accents, which />/ shift when the word becomes possessive. To take the example from />/ Andreas's email, the simple noun form of June is "Ioúnios", whereas the />/ possessive form is "Iouníou". So it would really need a separate />/ {{MONTHNAMEPOSSESSIVE}} or something of that sort. / OK. Next idea:
(1) Set the month names to be the possessive forms, e.g. "Iouníou", so they can be used normally in dates throughout the site. (2) Create thingies in the Template namespace that contain the nominative forms, e.g. [[Template:Nominative-Iouníou]] would contain "Ioúnios". (3) Whenever you need the nominative, instead of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} write {{Nominative-{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}}.
How's that? Timwi
Sorry for not responding earlier on this (since I started it). It seems that something went wrong with my delivery of list messages and I had to look into the Web archives. Anyway:
Concerning the Greek names for months and the way they work you can look in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection for nice explanation and reference. I believe the above suggestion by Timwi seems to solve the problem. Of course somebody needs to remember what we are doing here so that in the future it stays that way.
So the possessive case of Greek months along with their abbreviation, after the comma, are (please keep the dots in abbreviations, it looks much better in Greek):
??????????, ???. ???????????, ????. ???????, ????. ????????, ???. ?????, ????? ???????, ????. ???????, ????. ?????????, ???. ???????????, ????. ?????????, ???. ?????????, ?????. ??????????, ???.
I also attach a UTF-8 txt file with the above. Now somebody needs to load all these. Thanx Andreas =========================
e-mail: Andreas.Kasenides_at_cs.ucy.ac.cy mailto:Andreas.Kasenides%20at%20cs.ucy.ac.cy
(replace the _at_ above with @)
I sent this one some time ago. While we all appreciate the many time consuming task sinvolved in taking care of the software ..... ........ Could one of the developers, please, take up this task and load the modified month names and abbreviations as it is described below? This will help a lot in making a calendar of events, anniversaries etc. in Greek. Thanks Andreas
Andreas Kasenides wrote:
Delirium wrote:
/ Timwi wrote:
/>/ />>/ Delirium wrote: />>/ />>>/ There may be cases I'm not covering, but for the one I can />>>/ immediately see in the interface, the issue is that "day month" type />>>/ dates use the possessive form of the month name, while month names />>>/ used by themselves use a simple noun form. />>/ />>/ [... etc. ... 'Maios' vs. '5h Maiou'] />>/ />>/ Ah-ha. I kind of thought so. So why don't you just do this: />>/ />>/ - Set the month name to "Maio" />>/ - In a sentence like "{{MONTHNAME}} is nice", write "{{MONTHNAME}}s />>/ estis bioutiphulos" />>/ - Set the date format to "{{DAY}} {{MONTHNAME}}u {{YEAR}}" />>/ http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l />/ />/ Well, unfortunately one part I had left out were the accents, which />/ shift when the word becomes possessive. To take the example from />/ Andreas's email, the simple noun form of June is "Ioúnios", whereas the />/ possessive form is "Iouníou". So it would really need a separate />/ {{MONTHNAMEPOSSESSIVE}} or something of that sort. / OK. Next idea:
(1) Set the month names to be the possessive forms, e.g. "Iouníou", so they can be used normally in dates throughout the site. (2) Create thingies in the Template namespace that contain the nominative forms, e.g. [[Template:Nominative-Iouníou]] would contain "Ioúnios". (3) Whenever you need the nominative, instead of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} write {{Nominative-{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}}.
How's that? Timwi
Sorry for not responding earlier on this (since I started it). It seems that something went wrong with my delivery of list messages and I had to look into the Web archives. Anyway:
Concerning the Greek names for months and the way they work you can look in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection for nice explanation and reference. I believe the above suggestion by Timwi seems to solve the problem. Of course somebody needs to remember what we are doing here so that in the future it stays that way.
So the possessive case of Greek months along with their abbreviation, after the comma, are (please keep the dots in abbreviations, it looks much better in Greek):
??????????, ???. ???????????, ????. ???????, ????. ????????, ???. ?????, ????? ???????, ????. ???????, ????. ?????????, ???. ???????????, ????. ?????????, ???. ?????????, ?????. ??????????, ???.
I also attach a UTF-8 txt file with the above. Now somebody needs to load all these. Thanx Andreas =========================
e-mail: Andreas.Kasenides_at_cs.ucy.ac.cy mailto:Andreas.Kasenides%20at%20cs.ucy.ac.cy
(replace the _at_ above with @)
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