Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list ------- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia --------- Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel.

Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote: +1. No new channels, no new mailing lists, it just serves to fracture discussion even further. -Chad

Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list ------- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia --------- Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel.

Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really

IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on

What if you're not online at the time of the discussion? You're

left out; no, even worse, you have no idea the discussion even took

This really sucks for important discussions. Whereas on the mailing list, it's always in your inbox, not to mention various mailing list archivers will preserve the discussion forever. tl;dr - If this person isn't even a part of the mailing list, I doubt there's much more IRC can do to help him. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, "Petr Bena" <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for > > general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. > > > > There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for > > wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. > > > > I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all > > developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you > > think? > > > > Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this > > mailing list > > > > ------- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia --------- > > > > Hi, > > > > Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for > > wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some > > people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would > > likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, > > other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the > > questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more > > development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually > > helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or > > wikibooks or something else). > > > > There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for > > #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels > > either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or > > otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. > > The people who arent happy with two channels are going to be happier

> 3? > > What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is

> for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of

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If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you "wtf are you commiting here?"

it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open...

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through >> the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi >> in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... >> > > Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you` may be able to use the

These are all fine and dandy solutions, but please keep your various companies' policies in mind. It's not worth losing your job just to hang out on IRC :) -Chad _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open...

What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know)