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Remember the dot

8 Dec 2008 8 Dec '08

10:22 p.m.

Hey, The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3 weeks...any idea on when the next update will be? -- Remember the dot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot

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Brion Vibber

9 Dec 9 Dec

2:03 a.m.

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Hey, The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3 weeks...any idea on when the next update will be?

When it's ready. - -- brion

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Aran

3:10 a.m.

New subject: Math crash

Wow, some big problem with math rendering happening on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function

Dan Collins

3:28 a.m.

New subject: Math crash

Seems to be fixed, if you still see a problem add ?action=purge to the end of the URL, that should fix it On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Aran <aran(a)organicdesign.co.nz> wrote:

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Wow, some big problem with math rendering happening on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Mohamed Magdy

11:05 a.m.

New subject: Math crash

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Seems to be fixed, if you still see a problem add ?action=purge to the end of the URL, that should fix it

It's not fixed yet. on any article using <math /> (or fixed then happened again). -- --alnokta

Aryeh Gregor

3:22 p.m.

New subject: Math crash

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Seems to be fixed, if you still see a problem add ?action=purge to the end of the URL, that should fix it

It's not fixed yet. on any article using <math /> (or fixed then happened again).

I don't see any problem.

Simon Orr

10:57 a.m.

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Remember the dot wrote: > Hey, > > The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3

weeks...any

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idea on when the next update will be?

When it's ready.

It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple "It could be a while yet" would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on board to help out and feel welcome... The information contained in this communication is privileged and confidential. The content is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone or e-mail, and delete this message from your systems. Teleperformance is a trading style of MM Teleperformance Ltd: Reg No. 02060289 England: Registered Office: St James House, Moon Street, Bristol, BS2 8QY. VAT No.763 0980 18. P Please think of the environment before you print this email

Siebrand Mazeland

11:52 a.m.

History has shown that Wikimedia updates the code on their farm quite often, somewhere between 5 minutes and a month or so, with 'every few days' on average. A few weeks ago Brion dropped somewhere that he's planning to move to a weekly update for Wikimedia's MediaWiki version. Given the track record of Brion with planning (MediaWiki releases, road maps), this may have been a bad idea - things weren't too bad, and this may have grown expectations. Even though 'when it's ready' may not be a satisfactory response, it is a true one... There is an indicator for when an update may be near: a Wikimedia update is likely when there are no more 'fixme's and 'new's in revision log past the currently deployed revision[1,2], and when this happens on a Tuesday (IIRC). Cheers! Siebrand [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/status/new [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/status/fixme -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: wikitech-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Namens Simon Orr Verzonden: dinsdag 9 december 2008 10:57 Aan: Wikimedia developers Onderwerp: Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

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Remember the dot wrote: > Hey, > > The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3

weeks...any

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idea on when the next update will be?

When it's ready.

It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple "It could be a while yet" would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on board to help out and feel welcome...

Aryeh Gregor

3:24 p.m.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Simon Orr <Simon.Orr(a)teleperformance.co.uk> wrote:

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It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple "It could be a while yet" would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on board to help out and feel welcome...

What's the difference between "When it's ready" and "It could be a while yet"? The former seems more descriptive to me (indicates that there's no fixed date, instead of suggesting that perhaps there is and you're just not being told).

Ilmari Karonen

10 Dec 10 Dec

11:54 a.m.

Aryeh Gregor wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Simon Orr <Simon.Orr(a)teleperformance.co.uk> wrote:

It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple "It could be a while yet" would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on board to help out and feel welcome...

Indeed. "When it's ready" may not be very precise, but it _is_ accurate. There have been some pretty major changes to the code since the Wikimedia servers were last updated, not the least of them being the rename of the Image namespace to File. Presumably the next update will happen when things have settled down enough that brion and others feel it's safe to do it without a bazillion things breaking. Which reminds me that v1.14 is also overdue for release. Perhaps what we'd need would be a temporary feature freeze, with commits to trunk restricted to fixing breaking bugs until everything is stable enough for a release. -- Ilmari Karonen

Simon Orr

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Simon Orr <Simon.Orr(a)teleperformance.co.uk> wrote: > It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple "It could

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> a while yet" would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on > board to help out and feel welcome...

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Sorry, wasn't near email for a while. The only real difference is that one seems to be a lot less confrontational. Even better would've been the asnswer from Ilmari Karonen which explains the situation a bit more clearly... If nobody else sees it that way, then just ignore this. The information contained in this communication is privileged and confidential. The content is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone or e-mail, and delete this message from your systems. Teleperformance is a trading style of MM Teleperformance Ltd: Reg No. 02060289 England: Registered Office: St James House, Moon Street, Bristol, BS2 8QY. VAT No.763 0980 18. P Please think of the environment before you print this email

Brion Vibber

11 Dec 11 Dec

8:51 p.m.

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The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3 weeks...any idea on when the next update will be?

Now updated on test.wikipedia.org. List of items changed since last update from our release notes: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_changes After a couple more hours of testing, I'll push it live to all sites. Note the 'File:' namespace is ready to deploy but won't be live there yet since test currently still uses the older message files. It should go live after full deployment. - -- brion

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Brion Vibber

11:23 p.m.

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Remember the dot wrote:

The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3 weeks...any idea on when the next update will be?

Whee, fixed that bug... now File: is live on test. - -- brion

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Remember the dot

12 Dec 12 Dec

12:21 a.m.

Looks like it's live on Wikimedia too, thanks! One minor issue: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Flag_of_Argentina.svgshould probably do an HTTP redirect to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Flag_of_Argentina.svg like http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Argentina.svg does. Or was this not done on purpose? -- Remember the dot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot

Bence Damokos

12:42 a.m.

On huwiki it seems the redirect from Kép (Image) to Fájl (File) is not working. Compare: <http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Attention_niels_epting.svg> http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fájl:Attention_niels_epting.svg&l… http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kép:Attention_niels_epting.svg<… Best regards, Bence Damokos On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Remember the dot <rememberthedot(a)gmail.com

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Brion Vibber

1:32 a.m.

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This is fixed now -- there was a slight syntax buggage in the messages file. Same problem for ms and ast. (thx to ^demon & vyznev!) - -- brion

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Bence Damokos

17 Dec 17 Dec

7:29 p.m.

Hi, An other issue on the Hungarian Wikipedia is that if the old namespace name is used than the system doesn't recognise it as an imagelink and puts the image in the category of unused images (apparently the links are recognised correctly if the new, "Fájl", namespace name is used). Best regards, Bence Damokos On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On huwiki it seems the redirect from Kép (Image) to Fájl (File) is not working. Compare: <

http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Attention_niels_epting.…

http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fájl:Attention_niels_epting.svg&l… < http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Attention_niels_epting.…

http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kép:Attention_niels_epting.svg<…

< http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K%C3%A9p:Attention_niels_epting.s…

This is fixed now -- there was a slight syntax buggage in the messages file. Same problem for ms and ast. (thx to ^demon & vyznev!) - -- brion

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Brion Vibber

7:55 p.m.

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An other issue on the Hungarian Wikipedia is that if the old namespace name is used than the system doesn't recognise it as an imagelink and puts the image in the category of unused images (apparently the links are recognised correctly if the new, "Fájl", namespace name is used).

Sounds like it might have been the same problem, probably in a page which was cached while it was broken. I don't see anything wrong at the moment; please show us a specific page where you see a problem and point out the particular bit that's showing incorrectly and we can take a look. - -- brion

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Bence Damokos

8:13 p.m.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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An other issue on the Hungarian Wikipedia is that if the old namespace

name

is used than the system doesn't recognise it as an imagelink and puts the image in the category of unused images (apparently the links are

recognised

correctly if the new, "Fájl", namespace name is used).

I intended to include a good example in my first letter, but it took a while to find *one, *as there are two related problems. So the main problem is with the unused pages special page: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1lis:Nem_haszn%C3%A1lt_k%C3%A9pek; last updated ths morning at 06:10 (Central European Time I guess); The image http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Dalarna_tartomany.png is marked as an unused image although it is indeed used, as is recognised by the image description page (it has surely been used even before this morning). The image: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:J%C3%A4mtland_tartomany.png also appears on this list, and the image description page shows no usage but the image is in fact used in the following article : http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4mtland_tartom%C3%A1ny Best regards, Bence Damokos

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Brion Vibber

8:19 p.m.

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So the main problem is with the unused pages special page: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1lis:Nem_haszn%C3%A1lt_k%C3%A9pek; last updated ths morning at 06:10 (Central European Time I guess);

The image http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Dalarna_tartomany.png is marked as an unused image although it is indeed used, as is recognised by the image description page (it has surely been used even before this morning).

> The image: > http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:J%C3%A4mtland_tartomany.png also > appears on this list, and the image description page shows no usage but the > image is in fact used in the following article : > http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4mtland_tartom%C3%A1ny

The second one's easier to test, so I made a null edit to the page, and the page is now listed as using the image on the image page. Sounds to me like this is either a totally unrelated issue with imagelinks sometimes not being recorded (something we've gotten intermittent reports of on various wikis since long before this change), or some links were specifically not saved properly earlier this week during the hours when the namespaces weren't configured properly. - -- brion

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Daniel Schwen

12 Dec 12 Dec

12:53 a.m.

On Thursday 11 December 2008 05:21:24 pm Remember the dot wrote:

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Looks like it's live on Wikimedia too, thanks!

Whats the deal with the non-alphabetical sorting of images, like here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Southerly_Clubs_Image_Archives bug or feature? -- [[en:User:Dschwen]] [[de:Benutzer:Dschwen]] [[commons:User:Dschwen]]

Brion Vibber

1:10 a.m.

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On Thursday 11 December 2008 05:21:24 pm Remember the dot wrote:

Looks like it's live on Wikimedia too, thanks!

Whats the deal with the non-alphabetical sorting of images, like here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Southerly_Clubs_Image_Archives bug or feature?

Probably just mixed category sort entries with the old namespace names. It should be sorted out pretty soon, after a link index rebuild. - -- brion

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Aran
Aryeh Gregor
Bence Damokos
Brion Vibber
Dan Collins
Daniel Schwen
Ilmari Karonen
Mohamed Magdy
Remember the dot
Siebrand Mazeland
Simon Orr