I am posting this here (as opposed to sourceforge) since this idea needs some discussion, etc.
I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing it is not necessary.
When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now saved," not the whole article/ page.
So it would be nice to have that option in one way or another. It could be either a user option or two save buttons with the edit box. Or "data is now saved" is the default, and there is a link to the page just edited. (The last option is similar to the way login proceeds. You get a link to the previously visited page after logging in successfully.)
And I am speculating that if the page is not displayed after saving, it would save some server load. Even if I am wrong here, I don't have to wait for a page to load. So I can save some time.
Tomos
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* Tomos at Wikipedia wiki_tomos@hotmail.com wrote:
And I am speculating that if the page is not displayed after saving, it would save some server load.
That's true, but beside the point. The servers _are_ lame and no matter how much you try to make the symptoms (slow loading etc) disappear, you won't achieve a state of 'good performance' since there are other performance consuming things like the growing number of users. If you want better performance you have to care about the cause, not the symptoms.
Christian
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 07:54, Tomos at Wikipedia wrote:
I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing it is not necessary.
When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now saved," not the whole article/ page.
Now you can't follow any links or double-check your work without clicking to view the page. I'm not sure this is a win.
And I am speculating that if the page is not displayed after saving, it would save some server load.
We've got about a 100:1 ratio of page views to edits. With 400-600 page views per minute, a few more doesn't hurt us much.
If you'r editing anonymously, your immediate load also will be cached, saving server load the next time an anon visits the page.
If you're really worried about load, consider that every time you save a page, it parses the page and *throws the output away* in order to update the link tables, _then_ redirects you to view the page. Find a way to re-integrate the save and view steps so a second render won't be necessary but without the POST-leads-to-reload-difficulties problem (which the redirect works around).
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Tomos at Wikipedia wrote:
I am posting this here (as opposed to sourceforge) since this idea needs some discussion, etc.
I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing it is not necessary.
When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now saved," not the whole article/ page.
So it would be nice to have that option in one way or another. It could be either a user option or two save buttons with the edit box. Or "data is now saved" is the default, and there is a link to the page just edited. (The last option is similar to the way login proceeds. You get a link to the previously visited page after logging in successfully.)
And I am speculating that if the page is not displayed after saving, it would save some server load. Even if I am wrong here, I don't have to wait for a page to load. So I can save some time.
Tomos
Yes, I've already often feel the need for this. It's should ne very usefull when you do lots of little change because in this case you don't need to see the result.
-- Looxix
On Monday 29 September 2003 16:54, Tomos at Wikipedia wrote:
I am posting this here (as opposed to sourceforge) since this idea needs some discussion, etc.
I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing it is not necessary.
When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now saved," not the whole article/ page.
So it would be nice to have that option in one way or another. It could be either a user option or two save buttons with the edit box. Or "data is now saved" is the default, and there is a link to the page just edited. (The last option is similar to the way login proceeds. You get a link to the previously visited page after logging in successfully.)
I would disagree with this. Oftenly errors are spotted after saving page (even if preview is used prior to that), and for new users it is interesting and important that they see what their work looks like.
If this is implemented, I think it should be a separate option of normal saving, available only if the edit is previewed and not changed after preview (or if not that, only if the edit is previewed), and only for registered users.
From: "Nikola Smolenski" smolensk@eunet.yu On Monday 29 September 2003 16:54, Tomos at Wikipedia wrote:
I am posting this here (as opposed to sourceforge) since this idea needs some discussion, etc.
I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing it is not necessary.
When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now saved," not the whole article/ page.
So it would be nice to have that option in one way or another. It could
be
either a user option or two save buttons with the edit box. Or "data is now saved" is the
default,
and there is a link to the page just edited. (The last option is similar to the way login proceeds. You get a link to the previously visited page after logging in successfully.)
I would disagree with this. Oftenly errors are spotted after saving page
(even
if preview is used prior to that), and for new users it is interesting and important that they see what their work looks like.
I agree with Nikola, above. More important would be a larger summary box so that copyright permissions and fair use citations could be put in. If someone writes much in the summary box (the recommendation seems to be to to put third party licensing info and fair use notices there). For most summaries it is ok, but for these copyright notices (which are really required under the GFDL) it is really not enough space. As it stands now you cannot see most of the text you write in by the time you get to the end.
Alex756
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